gosso920

That is not a good strategy.

Crensch

As if anyone would take that seriously.

imbadatthis

If you don't mind, I'd love to read your article once it's published.

un1ty

Well, no matter how shit Voat could become, I'd never go back to that SJW infested, pseudo-viral marketing platform. Ever. Except for porn.

Talexis

lol there is no going back to the place for which we do not speak

Crensch

Over 3000 CCPs disappearing from an account by going back through past history is not a brigade?

No. Her users hate her. That's not a brigade, that's a revolt.

I must need to clean my glasses here. What I saw as evidence says otherwise.

Nobody has presented evidence.

I would not like that to happen to me and I don't think you would like it to happen to you. You yourself have downvoated 1/2 as much as you have upvoated comments.

I don't find lies to be contribution to the conversation.

Coming in at 1169 downvoats for the 2 months you've been here. I can see why you would not like it said there was no voat brigade.

Prove a brigade. Show me where a group of people created a sub and post to downvote @she like was done for her upvotes. Show me where minimum ccp rules were changed to brigade someone with downvotes.

Oh wait, there's no evidence for that.

Users just hate that cunt, and it's completely her fault.

But go ahead and blame us because you're too pathetic to admit the truth.

Edit:

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/comments/457363

Post it there. Go for it. "Evidence", right?

HAHAHAHHAHAHA

axolotl__peyotl

Yup, someone made /u/axolotl_peyotl_ just to spam men's rights bullshit and make me look like an asshole.

They've been doing this since Voat was Whoaverse.

PardiGras

Well people can start by down voting the goddamn racists. But so far they keep getting voted to the top while anyone even slightly reasonable gets shoved to the bottom

rhava

brother_tempus comes to mind that dude says shit all the time with no evidence and a cynical perspective confused as wisdom. plus hes almost constantly active makes me think hes a shill.

lubbocksux

I don't care who is pushing what agenda so long as the admins aren't limiting peoples' rights to push an agenda. The problems arise when that agenda goes from speech to actions.

FiftyShadesOfBlack

What Voat needs is a better way of choosing moderators.

It should have been obvious that "First to (re)claim the name becomes dictator" was a bad idea from the start.

ThisWeirdIndividual

A lot?

You meant like 15-20?

riposte

No, the only thing that looks bad are all of these complaints on my front page about some user I could care less about.

babimbang

I love a good tiff.

lawofchaos

Swap 'u/she' with '/v/protectvoat' and this theory would make just as much sense at this point. The ones making Voat look bad are you fucking assholes and idiots going on and on and on and on and on and fucking on about it. Tell me what has She done since this drama? Has she actually been given the chance to prove her critics wrong? Or has it just been a few obsessed 'heroes' shitting all over this website 25 hours a day since then? Even though I disagreed with She in the beginning, these antics have proven to me who the real enemy really is here. I know that when I walk away from this place it definitely won't be because of She.

ThisWeirdIndividual

As far as I'm concerned: Good luck with that!

LostUnderTheMountain

I'm with ya bro/bra, I never commented on reddit... However I feel part of (if small) this community.

Crensch

Only one side is actually vote brigading. There's not only no proof for the other side, but users all over the place saying that they downvote any post they see of hers. The upvote brigade actually happened, with @stoic admitting to going through her history and upvoting every post he could.

Ina_Pickle

I wouldn't doubt it at all. Even now she is over at FPH pissing off the regulars with the blessing of the mods.

Crensch

meaning that if there is a conspiracy, @she is not even necessarily a part of it (though it can't be ruled out), with the main culprits being those that were casting aspersions on @she .

Seriously?

The bitch actually deleted content that wasn't against the posted rules. She took over a sub that nobody wanted her taking over. The people arguing for her have nothing but appeals to emotion or other fallacies, while we actually argue with a narrative that is supported by archived links to comments and mod deletions/bans.

Really sick of these fence-sitters that want to see both sides as equally wrong here. Those arguing against she actually have a reality-based reason for doing so.

Astromachine

Seriously, the amount of people here who want to create a "safe space" away from SJW posters is astounding. The people calling for @Atko to step into this shit storm and make their "safe space" are all idiots.

Isn't Admin power overreach the reason a lot of you are here in the first place?

I personally have always been a proponent of voting with your feet (or hooves if we're all goats now) if you don't like a sub, block it and unsubscribe. Vote the content you don't want to see down and up vote what you want to see.

Crensch

Isn't Admin power overreach the reason a lot of you are here in the first place?

No. It was admin collusion with sjw mods to censor the conversation.

It's always funny how the actual problem gets shoved to the side when the convenient narrative is "aren't you doing what you hate?".

The issue now is that there's already collusion between at least one admin and other powermods of voat with @she .

I personally have always been a proponent of voting with your feet (or hooves if we're all goats now) if you don't like a sub, block it and unsubscribe. Vote the content you don't want to see down and up vote what you want to see.

That worked real well for reddit, didn't it? The narrative goes like this:

People like you say this, everyone finally does it. Everyone migrates again and again as their bastions of free speech are taken from them. Finally, we're just not convenient to have around, so we get our places banned as well - basically told "you're not wanted here". Voat has enough users to tell us to fuck off.

Bravo, reddit 2.0 in the making.

gtcom

It's working

Selfpropelled

I'll never go back. NEVERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

NickStricklin

It would make sense. The people here seem crazy.

polkadotgirl

Even with all the racism, I'm not backing down. I WILL FIGHT.

Check my comment history and all the downvotes!

Warden

I'll go to even say she is maybe a mod at SRS.

WatDabney

Nah - I don't think it's any sort of conspiracy. I think it's just the actions of a socially maladroit person with an outsized ego and an unhealthy desire for power.

Calorie-Kin

This is one of those things that seems very nice in theory, but fails in practice. On the internet, especially in communities that favor anonymity, you can never know who is the overwhelming majority. So who can vote on this vote-of-no-confidence? How do you make sure it's not brigaded?

I'll give you one simple example:

  1. AskVoat announcements are heavily downvoted, and @she has a negative CCP score. Is this brigading or is this the opinion of the community? Is it a combination of both? Psychological studies show people are more often than not, going to react like the majority if they don't have a strong opinion on a subject.

  2. On the other side of the spectrum, people claim @she has a lot of alts that upvote her and the other mods. How do we know this is true? How do we know these aren't organic upvotes? Is it that far out there to assume people agree with her? Or is it really brigades? A combination of both?

Someone suggested a very cool idea - Seniority. The user suggested that old and active members of the community, should get more "rights". Such as vote weight, have more say in the matter etc etc. This in my opinion is the best solution, but it's not without criticism as well. This kind of experimental system could really hurt new members, as their voices won't be as equally heard.

Sith-Jin

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I really hope they don't do a seniority thing. I've been on sites that did that and it always turned into this ridiculous dock measuring contest of who had been around the longest and scared away new members.

Slippy_McSlipperton

I like this idea of senority. I would like to see this investigated - even in a sandbox.

TheBoldakSaints

I'm here because everyone on reddit fucking cries about everything. It's a hurt feelings brigade every time someone says fatty or faggot. Words don't hurt me and I have no desire to interact with people so weak.

laancelot

This makes sense. Whether we dislike /u/she or don't give a damn about her (which is probably the way the majority of voat feels), we can agree that there's a group of people who campaign actively against her. Currently, there's no way to deal with either "bad" mods or "bad" users, except the downvoting game, which both can play, but everyone else lose.

Seniority could be an interesting proposition, but hardly a way to overcome these obstacles. At best it would temporarily works, until the wrong people have seniority, and everything needs to be done all over again. I would prefer an approach based on communities instead. Like multireddits on that other site, if you will, but incorporated so a community can share a dynamic list of subs, curated by mods. One of there communities would be the voat's default frontpage, which would be curated by voat staff and reflect voat's vision of what they want the world to see of voat.

Calorie-Kin

Yes, I completely agree with you. As a frequent user of that sub, and now a mod, I really hate seeing this internal drama. Hopefully, given enough time, enough people will stop giving a fuck and we can return to it being a normal question-oriented sub.

As I said, there are problems with the seniority. Some I thought of, some were pointed out to me later. It was just the best idea in my opinion, of the ones I heard. Yours has it's flaws too. What if (and I'm not saying it will, but hypothetically) the admins have a change of heart and go down the Reddit path? Having full control over what you see and don't see. That's a pretty flawed system, because it's something that should be up to the users, not the admins. Users are, well, the users. They use the site, and should decide what is good content and what is bad content.

laancelot

It is a matter of values. I value the idea that the property of a (virtual) space gives the owner the right to decide what his space will house. Therefore, I would think that reddit's choice to stop supporting freedom of speech is, even though I dislike it, a valid choice. They are in their own right. So I quit, because even if they can house whatever they like, I don't have to stay there and be supportive of their choices. I think the same goes with voat. And frankly, if I was the owner of a platform like reddit or voat, I wouldn't like people to tell me that I don't have a say in the content of my virtual space.

Of course, if the owner of a virtual space value the concept of the users being in total control of his space, he's in his right, too. In this, we would have to know Atko's position in this dilemma before we can know which way we should throw our ideas.

Calorie-Kin

That's actually a very fair argument. I don't think I have anything to say to that. You made some very valid points. I'll reconsider my position on curation of content.

laancelot

This conversation was already rewarding, but now I admit that I'm impressed by your good will. It's like we're both reasonable adults. Anyway, take care, see you around and wish you all the luck!

Calorie-Kin

And yet regardless of the topic, my reply got brigaded because I'm a mod

laancelot

Yes. I'm sometimes impressed by how much spite there is in those people. Also, they managed to make /u/she some kind of scarecrow. About nobody really know who she is. If she switched name and said nothing about it nobody would recognize her based on her speech pattern, only maybe on her mod position.

Yet, now that she's always in some bullshit poll on the front page, everybody assume that she must be somehow despicable. Which she might, or not. Most people have no idea. And this, the creation of this assumption, is what that cabal was able to build so far. This and the growing number of people wanting them to shut up already.

Kal

You are talking about Digg 2.0. I have an idea. You and all your powermod friends go back to reddit.

Calorie-Kin

Just gave my opinion on some user's suggestion, sue me.

flyawayhigh

A decision was made based on the rules at the time and the evidence presented. Right now, it's over. Drop it. Personally, I lean slightly toward she should have been removed, but that didn't happen. Those who are determined to have she removed, keep watching. Present new evidence if and when it comes. Give it a rest for now for the sake of the entire site please.

I unsubscribed from askvoat and I refuse to subscribe to any of its replacements now. Thanks for the drama y'all. I'll post my questions in other places, and the v/whatever verse is looking pretty good now.

mr_skeltal

*conspirators :)

bugmenot

I see half a dozen posts about /u/she every day. What are the admins waiting for?

lubbocksux

Honestly, if anything makes me want to leave Voat it's the amount of posts I see about this She person. I do not give a flying fuck what some mod did on askvoat. I'm getting really sick of reading about it.

Piranha

At least on Reddit drama eventually blows over...

Sosacms

They are going to have a hard time getting people to leave Voat for Reddit by reminding everyone why they left Reddit in the first place.

Forbin

I don't think it is a conspiracy, I think /u/She is just the type of person who will cause drama wherever she goes. This new drama that she has created by imposing a Social Justice & pro-/u/She litmus test on folks seeking to become mods at /v/AskVoat is proof positive that she is unfit to moderate a default sub, let alone take ownership of it after being here only 2 months. I really hope @atko and @puttitout revise that policy because /u/She has proved it can negatively impact an entire site. She needs to STFU and GTFO.

KindOfSilly

She/he is a person who should be ignored by wise people.

Detry

I haven't noticed this person, do you have a eli5 or outoftheloop summary?

Kal

I've been thinking the same thing. All this drama seems like a group of people trolling this place into a big shit show.

malandric

I worry that I'll lose voat to the same forces that took reddit or worse that people from reddit would actively seek to destroy this place. It's strange times we live in.

imbadatthis

Divide and conquer...