Right, because the influence of outside empires and industrialists have had no influence on their societies. Nor the significant agricultural differences. Access to resources and even basic nutrition or clean water.

You have to separate circumstance from the situation if you want objectively verify the genetic differences. Not to mention the actual studies to indicate that income disparity is one of the greatest causes of social problems, possibly the only reliably traceable one. We can of course ignore history, economics, education and nutrition if you want but that would be stupid.

What role does nutrition play? What role does nutrition play in that of the mother and the fetus, or the development of an adolescent? We know from various studies that behavior improves with better diet and so does educational performance and that's after the person is fully formed. Should we be able to trace back to the mother herself we might find the importance of specific nutrition there as well. Sure, there's a genetic difference in producing smarter or dumber people I'm willing to buy in to that but if the best we can do is test populations and we can't verify specific markers in the genetic code I'm not sure there's ready proof. And generally this doesn't seem like the kind of hard science I'd be willing to back an argument with myself. It's certainly not without it's valid criticisms.

Voat started out moderate, but now it is just another extreme.

I don't see how? I see a lot of technology news, some /v/niggers posts (since i subscribed) and conspiracy posts since I am also subscribed to this sub.

Maybe you need some time to edit your list of subverses?

seems to now agree with some of these views.

Don't worry about it. It's probably not true, but rather manipulators making it "seem" like something is going on.

This video explains it very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEHL60bMMw0

I dont do facebook

Then put some moderate content on this site instead of bitch about it

I agree - but reddit timed it perfectly so that they purged those they didn't want, most of whom seem genuinely racist.

As for the difference between racist and race-realist, i fail to see any distinguishing difference. There is absolutely nothing about the color of ones skin that determines their behavior. It's entirely dependent on upbringing, socio-economic status, education, parents, and a litany of other factors. Yes, the ghettos are overwhelmingly black. Yes, there is a lot of crime out of those areas. It's not skin color, it's culture. Having grown up in an area like that, i can attest to the fact that white people, native americans, blacks, asians all fall into it.

And yes, we are all here because reddit started sucking dick, but what I've seen over the last few weeks is an overwhelmingly racist theme amongst the responses where there used to be good dialogue.

yeah someone posted an askgoat or whatever asking "Why do people care about how many women work in tech? If they wanted to work in tech they would." I posted a response in direct reply to the question, but most responses were just like "blah blah yeah women are already given an unfair advantage! blsh blah"

Everyone took the opportunity to whine about women rather than answering the question

I'm not a mod of /v/politics so I don't know why you think I'm the one who deleted your post.

Yeah I'm losing interest. I tried to leave reddit due to the ridiculous SRS shit and general assholism by the admins and circlejerk community, but.....

voat just seems so negative lately. everything is either straight up negativity, or just whining about "censorship"

At the beginning it has a fuzzy feeling of a bunch of people trying to start a healthy alternative. Now it just feels like a XYZchan full of angry people.

Plus I lean towards center-left, and things feel pretty damn right wing around here too

I feel like it started with people going "hey reddit sucksm let's create a better reddit where we can be full of all the hatred at Reddit!" (hatred by mods etc. Then as time passed it became people saying "hey reddit is banning hate topics, let's create a website where hate topics can flourish!" and it become a circlejerk of negative people

Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly fine with the so-called "hate" subreddits

I think part of it is that the sort of passion you get at either extreme just isn't something you see about moderate viewpoints. No one I've ever seen, is a neutral zealot. that kind of energy trends naturally towards the extremes.

opening sign ups would help.

as it is, we're stuck with what we've got.

Its probably an army of trolls paid for by reddit. Don't worry about it.. It will calm down after boats been in the news a s a hate site. Besides.. If you want real freedom of speach then remove the ability to downvoat, and then allow users to personally block trolls

britpol has landed.

You guys realize that voat was created to allow Reddit to be free of all the anti-movement.

Its an extension of Reddit.

by 'thoughtful political discussion' do you mean liberal marxist bullshit?

A very complicated issue, for sure.

I see three ways of dealing with this, for you, the sensitive voater:

1) Go back to reddit. Sure, you didn't like all the censorship and corporate shilling, but they were doing it for your own good. You don't like racism, they're trying to eradicate all racism against minorities. It's almost like a match made in heaven. They take away the naughty "n-word" and you get to look at pictures of cats.

2) Buckle up and enjoy the happening. This is what the other half thinks, princess. The world is a nasty place, and when you tell people that they're the rapist, privileged scum of the earth, they react... well, adversely to that. The internet masters have successfully divided to community. Watch the show, or turn off the TV. this is the way it is.

3) Put down the internet. You could always, you know: go outside. If one is too gay and the other is too racist, stop going to any, and interact with normal people who have social filters cause they're out in social spaces.

sorry, there is also a fourth option:

4)bitch and moan. I mean, why not? Real life is hard and on the internet no one knows your a dog. Complain about the sky being blue and eventually it'll turn orange, right?

The internet is all about the extremes. you could always visit one website, get their version of the "facts", then go to the other website and get theirs. There are no more moderate website left, extremes make money. so pick a side or go outside.

While one's upbringing will influence their education

No.

The researchers analysed genetic data and GCSE scores from 12,500 twins, about half of whom were identical.

Results in all subjects, including maths, science, art and humanities, were highly heritable, with genes explaining a bigger proportion of the differences between children (54-65%) than environmental factors, such as school and family combined (14-21%), which were shared by the twins.

Comparing the outcomes for identical twins with fraternal twins allows scientists to investigate the extent to which genetics influence a person’s life. Identical twins share 100% of their genes, whereas fraternal twins share on average only half of the genes that differ between people.

So if genetics were a significant factor governing GCSE results, the differences between fraternal twins’ performances would be expected to be consistently greater than those between identical twins–and this is what the scientists saw.

When the scientists factored in IQ scores, they found that intelligence appeared to account for slightly less than half of the genetic component, suggesting that other heritable traits–curiosity, determination and memory, perhaps–play a significant role.

Kaili Rimfeld, who led the study and is also at King’s College London, said: “There’s a general academic achievement factor. Children who do well in one subject tend to better in another subject and that is largely for genetic reasons.”

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/genes-influence-academic-ability-across-all-subjects-latest-study-shows/

I never said that, but there's certainly a solution that isn't "let this site be a haven for nothing but neonazis"

I can understand this.

Hate teachers? Haven't seen that

Yup, this is just their baseline behavioral level.

Thank you for your post. I feel the same way.

I frankly believe that reddit has selectively banned communities with the intent of driving the worst of the worst to Voat.

I also believe that reddit moderators are currently on Voat, producing and promoting racist content with the intent of shaping Voat's community as the "anti-reddit".

Reddit wants voat to be as despicable as it can be, in order to justify the censorship and corporate control of reddit.

Reddit took over content aggregation from digg because it offered a new interface that wasn't as gameable. The idea that a reddit clone can take over from reddit is misguided at best.

It doesn't help that registration is closed. This means that we can't shape the community with other influences.

Could you tell me more about that? I'm out of the loop.

Nice to know I'm not alone. I agree with you completely @polkadotgirl

I made this thread the other day on a similar note, https://voat.co/v/Voat/comments/457158

I think it's just a push back from the extreme that Reddit has become. It will even out as Reddit collapses, so long as Voat is careful about not letting extremists censor everything.

You're just supporting government fueled race wars.

ITT: A bunch of fags that are really uncomfortable with the nature of free speech online.

I'm a dirty /all-rat and I haven't had any issues with Voat. There are some extremes as always but practically all of my conversations have been reasonable. Like one about Utah and it's homeless programs, where fiscally conservative meets socially liberal.

European refuge immigration discussions vary all over the place, some saying they should go back to their countries and fix their culture, some say they need to leave their country in order to socially progress, and some they simply need to integrate into society instead of creating a self-segregated community.

I guess, I'm just not seeing the same Voat as you.

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/davidbrotskyappletreejidfjewishinternetdefenseforcecomputerhackingfraudharassmenthoroitpasmanickleydenlibelslander062313.html

'They' aren't even human. 'They' are simply memes. CGP Grey explains it perfectly

Wait a minute. TPTB are hiding moderate points of view?

I'm sorry, but this may just be the stupidest "conspiracy" I've ever heard. "Neither pure capitalism or pure socialism work well on their own, the bulk of MSM is just sort of lazily researched for a paycheck, green ketchup actually didn't taste weird - it was your perception. THE PUBLIC MUST NOT KNOW." Oh my god, you can't be serious.

Look, you say you don't like us icky raycists being here because we all need to hug and care about and help each other. Disregarding for the moment the question about if your impulse here is really a good one...

...What makes you seriously believe that your views help anything?

Masturbation might feel nice, but it has never gotten anything productive done - and it certainly doesn't improve relations with people outside of yourself. You don't have to like that racial differences are biological reality; but the weight of evidence is going to come crashing down on our heads sooner or later. The egalitarian rhetoric gets more frantic with every passing year, and there's a reason for that.

Fact of the matter is, the single most important factor for the quality of our societies is IQ - and not every group actually has the same amount of smarts. (YES, IQ tests measure something "real," and no, IQ tests are NOT significantly culturally biased. This is normally the part where I link to an article where an IQ researcher explains that believing otherwise is scientifically illiterate, but I just discovered the site the article is hosted on is temporarily down. Here's the link anyway for when it's back up. Wayback can't archive it, unfortunately.)

I've said this before, but for whites and East Asians to do ANYTHING but support implementation of eugenic policies for the rest of the peoples of the world - less intellectually blessed by natural evolution - is nothing BUT masturbating over our cognitive superiority. "Oh dear, however can we help these poor people! Oh, hey, Head Start!" Fucking embarrassing.

You're a teacher? You should really know the history of educational reform , and the many, many decades of its utter failure to close black-white "achievement gaps." Nothing but "rescue the little black chilluns" masturbation on the part of whites.

Because I am a White Nationalist, a race realist, and someone who participates in forums like v/Niggers , I am frequently accused of "hating" non-white people. I don't hate anyone. I know black people on social media who I talk to every day about this stuff. They agree with us at v/Niggers - racial differences are biological reality, and social "anti-racist" liberalism is more an exercise for white people to feel better about themselves than it is to "help" anything. It is also a good path to tank Western civilization and to threaten one of the more productive groups of the world - whites - with total demographic replacement. They are perfectly well aware that their people are in BIG TROUBLE without us around because blacks as a whole cannot reproduce the bounty of the West on their own. They also know their people will not implement any eugenics programs on their own - they are dependent on groups like whites forcing the bulk of blacks into it - and that without our help, they will be at the mercy of natural evolution to make them a peoples who can ever go to the moon...or not.

They would turn up their nose at your kumbaya-ism. Really what's so "caring" about your position, which leaves the Sun peoples of the world in the mud?

/v/niggers user here.

The problem is that, like the very majority of our subverse, I actually have moderate political views. I do one thing that voat's «moderates» don't do:

I call a spade a spade.

That's it. When I hear something like «race is a social construct» or «socioeconomic status», I call people out on that, because this is a red flag of leftist propaganda.

That makes me an «extremist», «far-right», «racist white supremacist Nazi». It's up to you to decide whether moderate views are «extreme» for you, but if they are, you're already on the dark side.

Looking at your comments I can't see any that were downvoted more than three times and don't call another user stupid, can you give any examples?

I think "they" want you to believe "dark complexioned man" is moderate news. Fair media, unbiased; but thats far from the truth.

There is truth in this.

/v/niggers are brigading

https://voat.co/v/Niggers/comments/462012

...all those vacuous morons flood over to Voat and then they comprise half the site because Voat's overall userbase is so much smaller to begin with. It's like Reddit is distilling retardation and dumping it into this site.

Or, like Zionist Jews 'opening the border' and dumping poor niggers and spics on white European countries while building a wall to keep their own country ethnically pure.

Lol you didn't even try

I don't want that. I posted a million comments in this thread explaining my views. Perhaps people are upset with the current state of Voat.

I mean people freaked the fuck out about the she incident. But who cares about white supremacists dominating every sub?

It feels a bit too sudden and too organized.

The amount of UK slang and the fact that every website links to UK nationalist party also makes me a bit suspicious. The again next general election is years out. Maybe a organized push of right with groups in Europe in general? Or a false flag operation?

It just feels all too sudden and too organized to be just people switching from Reddit to Voat.

I feel we're ingrained to think that propaganda will be obvious when we see it. We don't anticipate the propaganda will appeal to our own beliefs and bias. We think of it as ridiculous jingoistic posters and blatant preaching, not subversive agreement. Not cherry-picked news. Not redacted details. Not the distraction of network TV which has just been a vehicle for advertising since its inception. Not radio telling us what to listen to and bombarding us with things to spend money on. Constant ongoing reinforcement of the life we're expected to live, of consumption and pleasure. Constantly bringing up stuff we're supposed to spend money on.

Culture was co-opted by advertisement. The important thing is that the rich stay rich, the consequences, be they racial division or environmental decay are a the result of a society that deifies wealth and power. "They" are only interested in selling things, whatever gets them to do that is just fine. Appealing to the lowest common denominator only reinforces it, but it also works for selling!

I am very scared of this division of races the media is trying to promote. It's all manipulation of the feeble minded. It's all about timing coverage of certain stories in conjunction with others and leaving out the news that needs to be spread. Turn off the TV, get AD blocker, study critical thinking skills, and follow the golden rule.

You are spot on. Education has failed this way.

This is a good perspective.

As a teacher I believe education systems have failed students too.

I also understand what you mean about people finally having a place to vent.

However we should all learn from past mistakes. We allowed the extremism of sjws. We should not promote extremism on the other end too

Well I'll keep your viewpoints in mind. I didn't mean to come off as whiny. I really just have seen a huge shift.

I was on Voat all summer. And then it just felt like it was completely different in a few weeks.

I love this place. I want to help it survive.

I am still subscribed to ask voat and I'm not sure why.

what should we do?

I agree. I guess I was triggered to write this post because of some of the comment replies that were aggressive toward me. If conversations were more like this, I'd understand.

Perhaps I misidentified you but you seemed to really dislike black people.

You mention a few different things you see here that you don't like. Let me try and help analyze.

Downvotes: Though you don't care, you brought it up. My observation: the majority opinion is that downvoting is mean, and should be reserved for spam. I personally disagree, that it hides non-interesting content, which is what I browse for- not to give everyone an equal voice, no matter how little I want to read it. I do get the impression that voaters will up/downvote if the opinion of the post conveys an agreeable/disagreeable opinion without regard to its merits, but that will always happen a little.

Racism: It's mostly limited to certain subverses. But yes, it is here. I don't personally feel it's necessary to change how it is.

Other views: Of course a site like this has a hivemind. Just like reddit.

News: You beg the question. Politics should go to v/politics ! Not being moderate seems to me testament that sensationalism is still what draws a click for a vote. Trouble here is, if the mods were to try wrangling down bad content it would be "censorship."

They: You mean vote manipulation? Users on reddit posted video of their new comments being downvoted by bots within seconds of posting. I went into your comment history, and I see no reason to believe that you are being persecuted. Don't take it personally.

Your comment history: The vast majority of your posts have 0 downvotes.

Here are links to every post of yours that has less than 0 votes from the past month/10 pages of your comments, with my editorialism. complaining complaining insulting complaining complaining single-downvote single-downvote single-downvote/should've-upvoted-not-commented

You did make other comments that had more than five downvotes with net positive upvotes. I would have to agree that your comments were controversial at best; that the votes reflected that accurately.

The "single-downvote" comments you made were in a thread similar to this, where someone else was asking for an example of the complaint you made about voat. You started a self post, but had no examples to give.

As I read through your posts and comments, I realize you are making up controversy and being divisive yourself. It is complaining, plain and simple. Be the change you want to see by voting up/down and...

PLEASE, be skeptical and use concrete examples in any argument you have. Even if it is on v/conspiracy :)

No. I'm going to downvoat you (check my comment history, I don't do this often) to prove a point. Free speech is to be protected at all costs. It levels the playing field, so that all people are able to work out their opinions, ideas and differences.

What we need to remind each other of, with downvoats and scathing condemnation (such as this ), is that absolute free speech, within the bounds of the law, does not mean absolute anarchy.

We can have unrestricted free speech, while still being civil to one another . This needs to be the message we drill in to everyone's heads.

There is a place for all, here, as long as you contribute in a useful manner. Your defeatist attitude is in and of itself what will destroy voat if we let "them".

We're at a crossroads in this community, and it could go either way with our actions. Don't let them win.

We could be "The Pirate Bay of free speech" if done correctly. If you're the type to get frustrated and quit at the first sign of resistance, then damn . You need to reevaluate your life choices.

I'm tired of pc stuff too. I just think it's way more complex than race. To simplify things to just race is extreme, and a scary one.

I brought up the idea of the circlejerk because I too think we can have voat without moderators

Fat people hate can exist with moderating comments. After all, we're literally commenting on screenshots of comments anyway... why let let the spores of idiocy flourish and be mocked locally?

@atko - moderation is bad. Say it with me, auf deutsch oder vielleicht Valais?

Spam control: Good

Thought control: Bad

AAAAAANNNNNYYYYYY fucking moderation is pretty fucking hard to justify. Even if I write something like "all whites are nigger and all jews should be rulers of the universe" or something shit like that, it deserves to stand.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=race+poverty+social+stratification+studies&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0CAsQgQMwAGoVChMI0uH6m8rOxwIVARWSCh08uQdZ

You had bad experiences with certain races so you do anything to justify your racism as an adult.

It's easier that way. I get it.

if you don´t like a sub BLOCK it!

I try. It is really difficult for a few reasons.

For one most people don't even like leaving the comfort of their homes anymore.

Second people are so divided and it is difficult to find people with similar views.

Many are apathetic.

I'm left with a small group of people (maybe) that are fearful or feel it is hopeless to actually change things.

There is nothing in your post history with negative points. Nothing.

There is so much racism on this site that I don't come as much as I did at first.

Perhaps it is silly. Still I feel if all I can do is make a post on Voat about it, then that's all I can do.

True. This is true in real life too. Thanks for the support.

If you feel this is not a bigger problem out in the real world then you need to turn off your machine and venture out into the world. The problem your saying exists here is ten times worse out in reality where this stuff leads to senseless violence and destruction. I think we all need to improve the real world and places like this will follow since it's user's that dictate what is here, and users come from the real world. All of this being offended is designed to keep us here arguing instead of making real change in the real world. Quit letting the distractions achieve their goals. Be the change you want to see in the world and encourage those your close to, to do the same. To quote John Lennon, "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one".

Well that's why I posted on conspiracy.

I just feel we should do everything we can to prevent this from becoming another Reddit. If my post gets people to think about some of the issues here than that's a start.

Your logic is flawed. Why are kids having kids? Why are there single parent homes? All of these things are more likely to occur in impoverished areas. Why is there poverty? There is a class system in our society.

You will find that black poor people are similar to white poor people and native poor people and Latino poor people.

Are they exactly identical? No. There are obviously cultural differences.

There have been thousands of sociological studies done on poverty.

Social stratification? It exists.

I can do a Google search for you if you want.

I see the good. But I don't want it to become secluded to small subverses like Reddit.

How am I freaking out? I'm offering a discussion piece.

I argued a few days ago with some asshole who wanted "to put down" a black, 10 year old child.

I think these racists are just as a threat as SJWs. Even bigger, because they are already here on voat. Please help fight them. They can say what they like, because freedom of speech, but please debate them and show them that they are just a loud minority on this site as soon as they show themselves outside of their subverses.

Since Religion is Dying They are losing their control system, so they are training people to be Hyper offended which feels like religion without religion. This new breed of people gets offended by reason in the exact same way religious people would.

It has changed here over the last little while and that's a real shame. If you leave and find a place that's better come back and tell us. I've tried elsewhere and joined Snapzu, it's a little huggy

Maybe the downvote should be just deleted. If anyone one disagrees with a comment they will have to post an answer.

Nothing will stop people from being assholes though

Thanks for stating this. I wonder if this trend you describe as a Voat phenomenon, rather than being directly something that has happened, is actually the result of something else that has happened.

I read a piece (perhaps here, wish I could find it again) about how a modern political strategy is to make sure the public never gets to settle on the truth about anything; did we win that war? Well, who did? Is there ever going to be an end to this crisis? (All very "1984") -the idea being that the public, particularly the democratic public, is the enemy of political power in the sense that the more we know what's really happening, the more unhappy about it we're going to be. Certainly feels like that to me.

So if that's the strategy, the result is bound to be unsettlement and dissatisfaction out in the world. People are being scammed totally about what's up, and they get crazy because nothing you hear can be trusted...and they bring their craziness here, inchoate as it is. (Not to mention the people being paid to create this atmosphere!)

We're all in an information blender, it's not too big a surprise that nothing makes sense and everybody's angry. That suits the power-game people right down to the ground.

So you can either leave and make Voat worse OR you can fight harder to create a positive place that is what you desire.

Don't quit because it gets tough. Fuck the haters. You be you and make a place you enjoy into what you want it to be. Unless you're like Amalek or MH101, you're not going to be getting killed in downvotes.

So continue to speak up and say what you want to say. FIGHT for your ability to discuss things freely and openly. Don't run from this challenge, make the challenge your goal to produce quality, informative and interesting discussion on here.

I don't (unfortunately) know how to get the reddit bias from poisoning voat as well, but I DO know it's in full swing. My posts are downvoted in seconds, and they didn't used to be, even a month or two ago. Sad -- simple dialogue, educating each other, seems to have gone by the wayside in favor of vicious attacks that have no basis in reality.

I was wondering why everyone hated minorities and women so much. This woman feminist hate thing is pretty messed up,while there are some who ruin the image of actual womens right acrivist thats no reason to hate on women. But I guess I always have an unpopular opinion.

I'm not saying there can't be any truth to some claims about race. However I HAVE done research and in reality we live in a classist society and poverty is the real issue. Race is a distraction tactic.

I now believe that free speech is really gone. Sure, say what you want, but every online tactic has been made to silence you.

/v/VoatisCensored by /v/ProtectVoat via /v/Downvotebrigade

Exactly..people on Voat seem to hate censorship but love propaganda.

It does seem like the last month or so there have been more comments that a troll would make. And I think you are 100% correct. I had my suspicions when I first came to voat and now it seems like the whole site is just a scam to lure freethinkers away from reddit. Divide and conquer, what a shame.

I think you could have made this point more effectively without calling me a faggot.

But either way this is conspiracy. I feel there is something deeper.

A conspiracy could be that you are so programmed and brainwashed that you're one of the shills and you never even considered it. You're working for free!

And again I don't get the personal attacks. If you really believe what you believe, have a real conversation with me.

I'm really glad to see that I'm not the only one starting to feel this way now. It's become one big stomping ground for agendas and manipulation and silencing of alternative views. At this point it seems to be a bunch of children with too much time and too little to do running amuck.

Everything has changed drastically in the last month or two. From the great conversation to great subs to quick admin responses to an effective /v/ideasforvoat to that cohesive atmosphere, it's all gone to shit.

I'm not sure if it's an orchestrated conspiracy or the fact that a large (perhaps majority) percentage of the users here are all from banned Reddit subs or if it's really just a consequence of too many users.

I'm starting to think that this voting, categorised, moderated form of 'social networking' will always fail because the same tools that make it all work are the tools that can be used to manipulate it and turn it to shit. Starting to think it's a good idea to look for an alternative, something done in a completely different way, maybe with lessons learnt.

This sucks but with the current atmosphere here I don't know if there is any other solution but to try something completely different rather then just repackaging the old thing and expecting it to work in new ways.

What views did you express in the posts that got downvoted?

I completely agree. Something had changed here, and for the worse. I commented on https://voat.co/v/news/comments/452535 post just to see what would happen. Is going against the, we must hate all police, agenda. Every comment made that was against that narrative was downvoted. This is a plan to divide and conquer. What stops us from a race war is the police. Attack them from both sides, and the larger narrative takes the attention away from everything else, and directs our attention to this. What happened the last time we had race wars in the 60's? What was our attention being diverted from then?

Edit: words

Turning people racist? No. Inflaming racial tension? Very much yes. Of course, the racists get to be loud and proud now, alongside those who are trying to discuss legitimate racial issues, so it does seem like the hatred is spreading.

I don't hate any race, but I do think each race needs to admit their social shortcomings. Political power would seek to abuse such honest introspection to create more division.

So, instead of using our new honesty to solve problems, it will be used to create them. They can't get us to argue about "family values", religion, abortion, or gay rights anymore, so they turn up the volume on race. Now, no one's talking about TPP, the mine spill, China's economy, Nestle, etc. They're talking about some idiot reporter (who conveniently filmed his crimes in first person, too).

You get the picture. I just wish we were all mature enough to realize not everyone who criticizes us hates us.

Ok I'm not crazy. That's exactly what I've been seeing. It seems intentional to discredit Voat. When people think of Voat, they'll think that's the place with all the racists. Not the place to have your say.

I noticed a bit of a change after the /r/fatpeoplehate ban, but it didn't get really toxic until the /r/niggers ban. It brought an onslaught of extremely conservative right-wingers over, and they spilled over into a lot of the bigger subs and started aggressively downvoting everything that didn't fit their narrative and posting a lot of hate-filled shit. I don't think this was intentional on Voat's part, but an unfortunate consequence of Reddit's actions.

While I completely agree with what you're saying in a political sense (Democrats Vs. Republicans, two party bipartisan bullshit), I don't think that's what's happening with Voat.

I've been here since February. While things were definitely a bit more mellow in the beginning before people had TONS of reasons to start using this site instead of Reddit, I don't think the recent trend of more racist/sexist/anti-SJW etc posts are an intentional aspect of the site.

People are tired of feeling like they have no place in which to express their views or concerns, or even just bitch about their frustrations. Right now Voat is in high-tide for these emotions since people keep getting squished and pushed out of most other mainstream mediums (websites/forums/magazines/whatever). We aren't seeing our views being supported or even allowed anywhere else, so there's a large influx of "edgy" opinions and the like here.

I think things will once again mellow out a bit more in the coming months, at least to an extent. This is all a side effect of the huge influx of users that we've gotten over the last few months.

I've been red pilling the fuck out of this site. Glad you are noticing the difference of my efforts.

Why is it so surprising that people who hold these views would post them where they are allowed to as opposed to where they would get banned?

voat is /pol/?

I called this out a while ago in /v/keeptruckin . They told me to post it somewhere it would be seen more. But I ignored them because it is my subverse and I was hoping it would be seen and bring the sub some attention. I really wish I listened now. FUCCCK!!

Consider that many people are on voat as a reaction to reddit banning the subs that are fat shaming, racist and hate mongering. It is no surprise that the user base is highly reactionary and unstable. I am not very happy about it either, and am considering moving on due to the overly negative and childish attitude that many users seem to have.

This is exactly what was said of Reddit. That's why it concerns me.

Why do we accept that we must seek the smallest parts of the Internet to be able to have civil discussions on controversial topics?

It's like you can say what you want as long as nobody will see it.

I was thinking that after the ban of the racist subs on Reddit, it would die down in a few weeks, but I was wrong about that.

But that's how Reddit was. It was always the larger subs. And we all excused it.