anonymous

I don't really think every vaccine is bad but the amount of vaccine bullshit that's been popping up on the internet since the turn of the year is staggering

Why the fuck is this happening, is this just the new meme issue like global warming/GMO's/etc?

that

If the media (read vehicles of propaganda, which Reddit certainly is) is shoving something in your face, there is an agenda behind. History shows, usually not a good agenda.

Datastream

Not really because polio stopped appearing in the west due to vaccinations.

imhereforfruits

Seriously what is with all this pro-vaxxing spam all of a sudden?!

Who is behind this?

xanaxinator

Merck is behind it of course!

Why?? Just follow the scent of the dollar bills...

Mudkip39

It's a trend, but that doesn't take away from it's credibility. Someone expresses deep interest in this issue and a few people listen. They then feel new found passion about it and want to let others know. The internet makes it incredibly easy for any person to get information out to a lot of people and when it gets to a lot of people on Reddit you get the hive mind attitude.

imhereforfruits

I don't mean just on Reddit. I've seen it on 8chan and multiple news shows as well.

Mudkip39

Replace "Reddit" in my comment with any website and I'd say it still stands. As for news shows, I don't watch cable so I wouldn't know, but you're right that it showing up there all of a sudden is significant.

BOMZULU

Very true, Parents should get their kids VAX. The deaths from measles (100k/year ) Death from VAX (verylow )

Based on more than 50 years of experience with vaccines, we can say that the likelihood that a vaccine will cause unanticipated long-term problems is extremely low.

This is like riding in a car pool where everyone contributes each month to pay for gas, repairs to the car, etc.; and one morning a new guy shows up and says, "I think I’ll ride along with you. But I’m not going to pay, since you’re going downtown anyway and you have an empty seat." If enough people choose to take a free ride on other children’s immunity, herd immunity will soon disappear.

imhereforfruits

People keep throwing around that phrase "herd immunity" but it seems to mean something different every time I hear it.

weavves

Herd immunity means that, for instance, those too young to be vaccinated aren't exposed to preventable illnesses 99.9% of the time because most people have been vaccinated against it. Same for that percentage on whom the vaccines don't take.

More people vaccinated means fewer people vulnerable means fewer vulnerable people infected. Herd immunity.

SomeoneOnTheInternet

I actually made a sub for all my research /v/research but subscribed to crticialthinking too.

Datastream

Vaccine's are good. What the fuck are you on about?

SomeoneOnTheInternet

  • 26% increased rate of Type 1 diabetes in those who received 4 doses of this vaccine at 7 years old and a 17% increase at age 10. We initiated and funded a collaborative study with Tuomilehto on the effect of theHaemophilus influenzae type b vaccine on type 1 diabetes and found that the data support a causal relation (paper submitted for publication). Furthermore, the potential risk of the vaccine exceeds the potential benefit.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21093496

  • These findings are consistent with the hypothesis that immunization with the recombinant hepatitis B vaccine is associated with an increased risk of MS

    http://www.neurology.org/content/63/5/838.abstract

  • The relative risks of asthma were: 1.20 (1.13 to 1.27) for hepatitis B vaccine. (20% higher risk of asthma)

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/439840

  • We documented here the evidence of the potential of the HPV vaccine to trigger a life-disabling autoimmune condition. The increasing number of similar reports of post HPV vaccine-linked autoimmunity and the uncertainty of long-term clinical benefits of HPV vaccination are a matter of public health that warrants further rigorous inquiry.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23902317

  • A new syndrome, namely the autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants, has recently been defined alluding to the key role of adjuvant in inducing an immune-mediated condition.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23733136

  • Linear regression analysis of unweighted mean IMRs showed a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

This is like 2 minutes of googling.

bioemerl

First one, percentages are misleading. How large were the groups, and how many people got type 1 diabetes in the first place?

Second study:

A potential link between the recombinant hepatitis B vaccine and an increased risk of multiple sclerosis (MS) has been evaluated in several studies, but some of them have substantial methodologic limitations.

but some of them have substantial methodologic limitations.

Hernan et al [1] report an association between hepatitis B vaccine (HBV) and multiple sclerosis (MS) in a study mislabelled as “prospective”. Although the source data were recorded prospectively, this is a retrospective nested case control study. This introduces potential biases, such as ascertainment of HBV status when vaccinations were recorded in the notes but not in the computerized database.

The UK HBV program is targeted at people at high risk of infection. [2] However, uptake of HBV is sub-optimal in these groups [3,4], so that vaccinated individuals are those at highest risk. This means that HBV status was highly likely to be confounded by risk factors such as intravenous drug use (IVDU) and sexual practice, neither of which were adjusted for by Hernan. [1]

The sub-analysis excluding the 2% of subjects with “risk factors” was inadequate, as it excluded only people whose records indicated a history of occupational risk, alcoholism, drug abuse or chronic renal failure. Most of this information on these and other critical variables was not in the database or medical records. The inclusion of influenza and tetanus vaccinations does not rule out bias, which could operate selectively for exposure to HB vaccination.

Only 163 of the 438 eligible cases were included in the study, creating the potential for bias in ascertaining cases, and in selectively determining onset and severity of symptoms for vaccinated cases.

http://www.neurology.org/content/63/5/838.abstract/reply#neurology_el_2046

Not bothering with the third, as it requires a login.

The next link:

The medical history of three young women who presented with secondary amenorrhea following HPV vaccination was collected. Data regarding type of vaccine, number of vaccination, personal, clinical and serological features, as well as response to treatments were analyzed.

THREE PEOPLE! More people die of autoimmune reactions to peanuts every year!

The next one appears legitimate, but again is talking about rare cases where people have reactions to what is injected to them, not the effects of vaccines on the average person. It would be like not getting on a plane when you are scared of it crashing.

The final analysis: It's about infants, not about school-aged children. Secondly:

A closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and IMRs, is essential

Meaning "This is a single study and needs more data and work put in before anything is conclusive". Correlation does not imply causation.

BOMZULU

BS

Datastream

Except I don't see no polio around anymore.

bioemerl

Polio definitely was gotten rid of by vaccinations, however, what they are trying to say is that the negative benefits of some people having adverse reactions outweighs that we have essentially eradicated many diseases from the face of the planet.

What should be being advocated is that we start testing for these reactions before-hand, rather than saying nobody should be justified in getting a vaccine.

Datastream

Well yes. Just like how a lot of kids got developmental issues from that H1N2 or whatever vaccine. Turning them into retards.

Just get the standard vaccines and fuck all the rest. The standard ones are older and tested more.

000cccpcharm

ya I saw that too, people just don't get it