Assuming things really are this bad, and with little to no hope of things getting better (specifically the US, or the UK or any other Westernized nation) do you have a backup nation? (Limit) ( conspiracy )

submitted by Disaronnoonthecocks

Do you have a nation where you feel like you could move to, with hopes of avoiding/minimizing whatever you feel as the most impending negative to your current issues may be?

un1ty

Germany.

Dysnomia

Uruguay. Far, far away from potential nuclear targets. Supposedly less Nazis than Argentina.

pitenius

Vive le Quebec ivre?

imkharn

Excessively useful answer: A spreadsheet with weighted values you can adjust to find the ultimate country tweaked to your liking.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QwlyyWiYnYgjHseklslL4fWN5w3c8Z9Le-ObnCfhW1I/pubhtml

This spreadsheet is what allowed me to make this successful post: Data shows Australia is a better place to live in almost every way compared to the USA. (includes sources)

jerry

lol

vicarious

I think any country is safe, provided that you don't stay in a densely populated area.

pitenius

I came from a Western nation. I've never known anyone to bail. It's that frog in the pot. Either you're the kind of person who is always travelling or not. If bug-out day is your first rodeo, game over, man.

This "Where will I ever go?" question always prompts people to think along the lines of "how can I best approximate my previous experience?" So, if the US or UK "finally" becomes a shitcan, Canada or New Zealand is a prime candidate with Denmark or Sweden or Iceland not far behind. (Australia stopped being popular in the 80s.) In fact, if you look at the conspiracy concerns, aside from a thin shell of hate-the-yank, these places are pretty much in the pocket of the Anglo empire -- and their governments more so. None of these places would stand up for Snowden.

Romania, Bhutan and India? You guys sound like you've been before. I'm not going to lecture you about "immigrating is no vacation". If you have some connections, some social capital... yeah. Good luck, guys. I wish I had invested more resources in South America. My parents used to go there. I had some friends there. Seems tolerable... On the other hand, the worse the report is in the Anglo world, the better my experience tends to be. That really makes me think the best bug out might be sub-saharan Africa.

But for now, Russia. I'm bugging out / buggering off to Russia.

vicarious

Sounds like a plan! Vlad the great will even give you free land .

pitenius

1 hectare? Seriously? That's 2.5 acres of unproductive land. This is an invitation to subsistence farming. You could buy this for... $500?

I can tell you what this is about. No one ever listened to the "one child policy". There are teams of Chinamen slowly colonizing Siberia. Their existence is "illegal" in China; their continued residence is illegal in Russia. Putin is buying serfs.

But, no, seriously. Yo soy illegal para aqui. I go to Russia in 2 weeks. They gave me a visa.

Dadosaurus

Read some history.

With absolutely no dillusuons about the state of corruption in our government (U.S.) this is still a terrific time to be alive from a historical point of reference.

Class stagnation? At least you are not literally a slave/surf/peasant.

Media consolidation? At least you can not literally be burned alive for owning contraband writings.

Military expansionism? Gengis Kahn would like a word.

All things considered, at least our entrenched oligarchy still mostly resolves it's conflicts in ways that don't cause widespread destruction to the national civilian workforce.

Dysnomia

All things considered, at least our entrenched oligarchy still mostly resolves it's conflicts in ways that don't cause widespread destruction to the national civilian workforce.

Yes, but considering the same, our entrenched oligarchy has had no qualm kindling new conflicts in ways that cause widespread destruction to international civilian work forces for the past six decades.

This whole race war narrative worries me, as does the decreasing international tolerance for our belligerency.

istalkezwhoa

India is safe.

Ina_Pickle

For whom? Certainly not your wife and daughters.

DangerousDane

New Zealand is a popular choice.

Ina_Pickle

Didn't New Zealand recently make it illegal to hurt someone's feelings on the internet? Or was that Australia? Either NZ did something recently that scared the crap out of me.

Vvswiftvv17

Norway. My husband is a mariner and I work in public policy. We are blhair blue eyed. Shoe ins!

HITTINGOPRAHDAILY

Canada.