wild_injun

When a firearm cycles it goes through the process neccasary to fire. Step 1. A round is loaded into the firing chamber. 2. The trigger is pulled / fire sear disengages. 3 firing pin falls to strike the primer. 4. The cartridge fires. 5. Spent casing is ejected manually or mechanically. 6. Refer back to step 1.

In the case of semi automatic pistols all steps are mechanical except the intial loading and the pulling of the trigger, these REQUIRE human intervention in the cycle. It is easy to tell when a semi auto pistol cycles properly because you can see the slide (the long top half) of the firearm push to the back (ejecting spent casing) then ram forward (loading next cartridge into firing chamber). This is usually pretty hard to see with the naked eye but when slowed down it becomes very obvious.

deathcomesilent

I'm a little rusty when it comes to guns, but doesn't a double action pistol explain sequential shots? Or are you solely referring to the fact that you cant see the shell eject? Because (personally) I wouldn't trust a cellphone camera to catch something like that.

wild_injun

No on the 1st and I have a lot of doubts about the camera phones on the 2nd. To clear up some of your 'action problems', to put it poorly, i present to you the following.

I will miss a spots here and there but i will give you the summary of "Actions" (those in the know, correct where needed).

SAO, Single Action Only... think of wild west revolver or the ubiquitous model 1911 (world war 2 pistol). The hammer (spur above the hand) had to be manually pulled back (cocked) to fire each self-contained cartridge (cartridge or round from here on out). The 1911 had to be cocked only for the initial firing of the first round. The pull of the trigger on both firearms resulted in a Single Action of dropping the hammer/ firing pin to hit the primer and ignite the process which propels the projectile.

DAO. Double Action Only... google Sig 250... all DAO have an inaccessible hammer or in some cases no hammer at all. The reason for this is because of its nature, the DAO does not require any manual manipulation of the "hammer" to fire besides loading a round into the firing chamber (pulling the slide pack with a loaded magazine). The magic, again, takes place during the trigger pull. As the shooter pulls the trigger the mechanisms and linkages work together to 1st cock back the hammer/ firing pin and the 2nd stage of the trigger pull is to release the hammer/firing pin. BOOM! (pun) You have your two actions and only two.

SA/DA. Single Action & Double Action (notice the absence of "only"). this is basically a hybrid of the two. Most Sig pistols and a lot of the cool HK, FN pistols have this. Simple, best of both worlds... to some.

Striker Fired! To get you started, the pull of the trigger is necessary for the firearm to 'fire' not saying the other actions are any different but the specific design is to make sure HUMAN intervention is REQUIRED for ignition or else it is negligence on the part of 1 of 3 parties. Here is a type of action that seems new and cool and EVERYWHERE (GLOCK) but has been around as long as the Colt 1911. The details of striker fired pistols are a tad more involved in their mechanisms and workings as machines than i care to go into (so many varieties) that i would rather point you and your google-fu in the direction of "Striker Fired Pistols". To name a few but not all Glock, SW M&P, Springfield XD, SW, Sigma, Kahr Arms, Kel-Tec and many many others.

None of the above actions or firearms are more dangerous than the other. THEY ARE ALL DANGEROUS IN UNSAFE AND IRRESPONSIBLE HANDS.

Lowlypeon

Not trying to debunk anything, since there's been no evidence presented to debunk.

But I already said that you're not going to get a quality recording on a cell phone video.

You've asked me the exact same thing several times. Is that necessary?

Lowlypeon

Not that you can see on a shitty cell phone video, anyway.

Lowlypeon

Not trying to debunk anything, since there's been no evidence presented to debunk.

But I already said that you're not going to get a quality recording on a cell phone video. Does anyone even know what sort of phone he was using?

Lowlypeon

There isn't actually enough force applied by a bullet to spin or push someone. Any time you see that happening it's actually the person's own body reacting to getting shot.

Can't speak to the reactions of the folks there, though.

LOLATU

I've looked at the original video a few times and I don't see a hit at all anywhere.

BigSmeez

You should post a link, never knew about that.

Malek

So we are talking about Hillary now? I thought we were talking about some other stuff. Even if we are talking about Hillary, what would be her motive? Why would she want to put emails on that server? Please the answer as simplistic as possible. In my mind, I can use one word to describe Hillary's actions. Also, you think Hillary has that much power?!?

elgindelta

where the fuck were the ejected casing in the shooting?!? that's nuts

Fuckery

I went back and looked at several sources of the footage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the first shot was a miss low right as he got too focused on his phone to bother aiming. I also noticed that, despite other comments on this post, you can see the slide moving into battery. As for the reaction time, I've seen an RPD burst fly within inches of dudes skull with zero response. Human behavior is odd in stressful situations. It's part of the whole OODA cycle; sometimes it takes a bit to get past observe and orient. Finally, everytime the footage gets re-uploaded it becomes less and less reliable. I wish I had saved a copy when it first happened.

Relapse

He definitely missed most if not all of those shots. You can't just hip fire a pistol and expect it to hit its mark unless you have years of practice which he clearly has none

Veridic

Why shoot one handed? He can't be holding the video recorder there with his other hand?

CarlosShyamalan

Can someone link me to the original video on a reliable source? I have never actually seen it so Id be really interested if its the exact same as used in the video.

Also who could be behind this? BLM trying to incite a race war or white power trying to discredit blacks?

toobaditworks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

This founding document called for a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other radical movements to achieve "the destruction of U.S. imperialism and achieve a classless world: world communism"

weather underground:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8AnF2RkMV8

Larry Grathwohl on Ayers' plan for American re-education camps and the need to kill millions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ

Bringing Down America by Larry Grathwohl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9iwcyjmgZg

CarlosShyamalan

Interesting. Ive never heard about that group before. Sounds like they had a somewhat successful start with the civil rights movement and their opposition to the vietnam war but lost their spirit when the situation was less dire for everybody.

We had a similar group of terrorists in the 70s here in germany called the RAF who also fought for revolution against the government (west). They were disbanded after I think three generations because they increasingly justified the means by the end and killed more and more civillians. They still managed to (kinda) die as heroes and didnt see themselves turn into the enemy unlike the WUO it seems...

wild_injun

I have to be that guy that points out your title is incorrect. Both videos show two different firearms and they could very easily be two different calibers. The over simplification going on here is less than damning of the VA event.

The only thing that bothers me about the VA footage is that the pistol does not cycle in between shots, as it should or by manual manipulation.

TyrellCorp

Interesting but consider, glocks come in many different cartridge sizes, and many behave somewhat differently. My 40cal never fed like my 9mm, otherwise the same frame. Customized internals and grips make a difference in recoil, by changing trigger force and fulcrum point respectively.

Lowlypeon

Because real life isn't as exciting as the movies make it out to be.

HitlerIsBlack

WTF is with that loud ass static, fuck this video.

BigSmeez

How so?

Lowlypeon

Different type of ammo fired from a different gun would produce different recoil, muzzle flash, and impact.

Obviously you're not going to kick up a big dirt cloud on a wooden pier. Also, the guy on the left might have a shitty grip. Also also, he might be limp-wristing on purpose.

Different shutter speeds or framerates would also effect how it's recorded.

Show me the same gun with the same ammunition recorded on the same phone with the same video settings and you'll have a good start.

crunchberry

Yes!

FinnTheHuman

You are moving the goal posts and your 20+ votes in just a few hours (in this sub, which gets little in the way of votes except on special topics like this). Point being: fuck off shill.

Lowlypeon

If you think it's shilling to ask for the bare minimum effort required for a scientific approach, then you're going to go through life being swindled quite often.

33degree

Obviously you're not going to kick up a big dirt cloud on a wooden pier

Have you ever seen someone get shot on a police body cam? How do they act when they are hit?

Lowlypeon

Differently, dependant on a number of factors such as size, location, general health.

Though, I've seen actual gunshot wounds on real people, so maybe I should watch more YouTube to get to your level of experience.

un1ty

We'll, I'm a trained astronaut who's been to Mars, the Moon and also worked as a lobbyist for Monsanto and the FDA. I've seen aliens eat GMO foods and explode.

Put that on youtube and watch it.

/s

Claims of Subject Matter Expertise on the internet are retarded.

El_oso_mugroso14

33 degree may need this Edit: I may actually buy this. Seems like a good deal

Fuckery

Mindset comes into play too. Sometimes people don't even realize they have been shot until you point it out.

Upvoats_McGoats

I usually don't get behind this sort of thing but the evidence is right there.

In order to prove anything, though, you need more evidence of where the dead reporter and camera man are. You need to prove motive that these otherwise simple people could somehow be used by whatever global dominating hand you believe in. You'd need to have the interviewee in on it as well. You'd also need to prove motive for why a global dominating organization would have done anything like this. This guy wanted to start a race war against white people and was also gay. People aren't buying any of that in terms of anything changing as a result of this attack.

I get that the attack would seem fake barring any other information. But there's a lot more to a hoax like that then just a fake video. People died, yes? Autopsy reports, coroner's evidence, family members attending funerals, etc.

Obamadid911

But nobody can know what the aluminatti plans is

Malek

There are too many people involved which too many moving parts. Someone, somewhere would talk if this was fake. Same with Sandy Hook, 9/11, the moon landing. The real conspiracies are when there are very few people involved.

Mr-X

Hello, You are using a CIA Psychological Warfare technique to stifle investigation and/or deflect suspicion from Government and Intelligence Agencies, as outlined in CIA Document #1035-960, Section 4c.

4.) In private or media discussions not directed at any particular writer, or in attacking publications which may be yet forthcoming, the following arguments should be useful:

c.) Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States , esp. since informants could expect to receive large royalties, etc. Note that Robert Kennedy, Attorney General at the time and John F. Kennedy's brother, would be the last man to overlook or conceal any conspiracy. And as one reviewer pointed out, Congressman Gerald R. Ford would hardly have held his tongue for the sake of the Democratic administration, and Senator Russell would have had every political interest in exposing any misdeeds on the part of Chief Justice Warren. A conspirator moreover would hardly choose a location for a shooting where so much depended on conditions beyond his control: the route, the speed of the cars, the moving target, the risk that the assassin would be discovered. A group of wealthy conspirators could have arranged much more secure conditions.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=49975&search=countering_criticism#relPageId=2

sapiosex

How about the Manhattan Project? Only 130,000 people worked on that. From Wikipedia: A 1945 Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "probably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved."

Malek

The Manhattan Project had leaks everywhere. I cited a new York times article somewhere in this thread.

erietemperance

If you believe that 19 terrorists could have done 9/11 than why couldn't 19 CIA agents have done it?

Malek

Motive and Occum's razor.

Dysnomia

Sad. Truly sad.

anthonylancer

cmon man everyone knows about 911 already dont go shillin up in our parts

Malek

I'm not a shill, I just think sometimes you guys go a little overboard. Two people got shot and yall are claiming false flag based on a go pro video. It just feels a little disrespectful to me thats all. The bodies aren't even cold....

Dysnomia

Shills will be shills whether they're paid in money or attention.

The longer a crime goes uninvestigated the harder it is to piece together. Don't get on us with that "too soon" bullshit. If anything it's too late. The guy apparently had a history of anger, a "human powder keg.. Waiting to go BOOM," who was ready for a "race war."

This is the stuff fairy tales are made of people. The way I see it, either the event was orchestrated deliberately to resound with the MSM's current gun ban and race war narratives, or it is an indeliberate echo of MSM rhetoric on those same narratives.

Malek

So do you believe this guy was a lone nut job or was he in on it with the two other people that should be alive if that gun was fake?

Dysnomia

I don't believe one way or another. Belief is the death of intelligence. I strongly suspect that Oswald was a patsy, there were numerous gunmen, and complicity on the parts of certain members of the criminal federal government and criminal intelligence agencies who may have hired mafia assassins to do the hit.

The links between intelligence agencies and the mafia are well documented. Just look up the P2 lodge.

Malek

Nice pivot.

anthonylancer

cmon man you cant lump 911 in with sandy hook and this nonsense. here at conspiracy we ask questions and explore the possibility of absolutely ridiculous notions. sometimes we are right. I just really hope that you dig deep enough to discover the most likely truth of 911. i dont mean to be a dick. sorry. just please explore our perspective some more. all i can iterate is that a building will absolutely not fall the way building 7 fell if some burning ruble fell on it. i mean freefall cmon now

Malek

My friend started posting this conspiracy stuff on Facebook now I think he's going too far. He does not trust the government and has talked about the sovereign citizen movement. It started with 9/11 and now he has gone full nut job. He posted this video today claiming it was a hoax to take away our guns. This shit scares me.

Dysnomia

Maybe you should go out and buy a gun.

Kek kek kek.

Seriously though. Or maybe you join the police/military. Or start reading the news from sources besides GE, Newscorp, Disney, Viacom, Time Warner and CBS.

If you don't know 9/11 had elements of an inside job' then you haven't been paying close enough attention.

Quick, who's your favorite quarterback?

Malek

I liked al-jazeera America before it got too popular. The BBC seems to be pretty fair. Rt is good for anything that doesn't involve Russia.

Current or former player?

Dysnomia

http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/09/19/what-wikileaks-tells-us-about-al-jazeera/

I can't say much about BBC or RT's biases other than rather speculatively assuming they pander to British and Russian corporate interest in the same way American propaganda outlets pander to American corporate interests.

And the question was rhetorical, namely that your attention has been divided between the circus and the carnival.

Malek

I look for publications that have had a proven track record and have built trust by being correct. My trust is earned. Show me some good, hard journalistic work that is correct, then you have my trust.

Dysnomia

"Proven" "trust" "correct".

These words mean different things to us I think.

Malek

You can't go through life without trusting things, systems, people, and other things. The best way to build trust is repeat ability.

Dysnomia

Repeatability is also the best way to lose trust.

33degree

Same with... 9/11,

You realize that there are at least 20 911 whistleblowers right?

Here's two:

Thomas Drake was no. 4 at NSA: http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=14393

Richard Grove worked at WTC during 911 and witnessed the insider trading scheme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFJwVxqD4A4

Malek

Here is a tip that will help you out in life. Never attribute malice where ineptitude can adequately explain the situation. Did the NSA have an idea about a terrorist attack? Yes. Where they idiots about processing it and getting it to the right authorities. Yes. Dont know about Richard Grove. Dont have time to figure him out.

sapiosex

If you have some time, here's Richard Grove interviewing another NSA whistleblower, William Binney.

http://www.tragedyandhope.com/interview-with-william-binney/

Malek

Thanks. I'll check it out.

33degree

Never attribute malice where ineptitude can adequately explain the situation.

Are you aware of the 28 pages? How is it possible to attribute ineptitude to intentionally sealed (and still classified) information on the true financiers and funders of 911?

Dysnomia

Shills will be shills whether they're paid in money or attention.

BigSmeez

There were many involved in the Manhattan Project but only two people knew what was going on or why they were solving equations.

I believe that a conspiracy can be accomplished by lying and secrecy, especially to those involved.

sneakybells

Even if they did, nuclear fission isn't that easy to explain. You'd end up just saying they're working on a REALLY big bomb because you know, science. Just the concept itself has doubt already built into it.

Malek

Didnt the Russians get a hold of that one?

BigSmeez

May have, but back on r/conspiracy I remember reading a post about the Manhattan Project and how two people in the US actually knew what was going on. Let me see if I can find it.

Malek

I can think of three of the top of my head, Albert Einstein, FDR, and Robert Oppenheimer.

BigSmeez

Here it is

That's what I was referring to. What do you think?

Malek

Compartmentalization is a thing. However, too many people knew to much and the leaks were everywhere. The Manhattan Project had problems with leaks and sloppy scientists from the get go.

normalegg

not to mention there was no slide movement in the VA footage. That's not how a gun works people...

CameronGalicia

Also the guys hand in the video is clearly a white persons.

PlasmaDistortion

It looks like a BB gun without the slide action.

Amadameus

But it is how a movie prop gun works!

Lowlypeon

Movie props guns have to eject the blank casings as well.

Amadameus

At nearly point-blank range, I expected they'd use propane for the muzzle flash and a kinetic slide to simulate recoil.

Lowlypeon

What the hell is a "kinetic slide?"

Amadameus

A lot of fake guns have a weight in the slide which gets jerked backwards when the trigger is pulled. It's weaker and not quite the same as recoil, but close enough for things like arcade shooters or movie props.

ShineShooter

That's pretty damning, the recoil is way off in the VA footage. Also, no impacts.

DiggRedditVoatBlank

The only way that wouldn't confirm anything is if Glock made multiple models that each take different calibers, and if gunshot wounds work differently in real life from how they work in movies.