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The McDonalds Society will break down. Fit humans will continue on.

k0s

...you mean anything not in a metal box/cage right?

So basically anything important wouldn't be affected. Phones, cars, pcs, servers wouldn't get touched.

Besides all this is, basically an antenna on roids. You pull a couple mW with radio. A sudden gamma rays burst well shoot maybe a Gigawatt through your wires. That's what breaks your gear BTW.

So if you spread that wattage in a cage it well absorb it all and melt. everything inside would be fine.

CryptoAnarchist

As long as it happens AFTER I get my volo one stirling engine, it'll be awesome

VictorSteinerDavion

This will happen, but it won't be an EMP that does it.

It will be the inability of the government and energy companies to create a robust failover/fallback energy grid.

Even if your not a paranoid doomsday prepper, it is an extremely good idea to have an energy independence plan in place for when the power goes off.
It's a good idea to have at least 2 weeks of things to help you survive through a full black out.
Things like water purification, non-perishable food, blankets etc.

Even a regional black out can become a life or death situation if you're not prepared.

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Id be interested in the topic but that site is cancer m8

DJexs

It has happened before, Carrington event. Took out the telegraph system entirely and today it would cripple us. There was even a storm of the same magnitude 3 years ago that missed us.

k0s

No we shield sensitive gear nowadays.

DJexs

No we don't and our electrical grid is not insulated. I have my wiremans license, albeit not a full journymen I know what kind of electrical goes into buildings in north america and they are not shielded against a carignton type event.

k0s

So you mean those green METAL junction boxes are not insulted. or those cages around power plants?

Or the fact airplanes have a full metal shell around them? Or how majority of servers are in a aluminium case...

The wiring in a house could easily absorb a sudden Gigawatt of power, I'll be you may blow a couple fuses. The breaker would be fine since it's a metal case.

You gotta remember that sensitive material is the copper imbedded into IC. your standard 8g wire would be fine(assuming the rays are not constant...its just a single pulse).

Most IC devices are in a metal case.

DJexs

Keep making stuff up because none of what you said is true and those articles directly contradict you. You clearly still do not even know what the carrington event is. Considering you cannot even read a couple paragraphs about the carrington event I doubt your an electrical engineer. I also doubt your an electrical engineer because Those green metal boxes are just thin sheet metal and a padlock they are not insulated. your a joke and have no clue what your talking about. Just because you have an electrical engineering book and took a night class at the community college doesn't make you an electrical engineer.

k0s

...its a Faraday cage.

it works because the lattice is small enough to absorb high frequency EMR.

In case you didnt know, this is how communication devices work(by utilizing the fact EMR accelerates electrons in substances with free flowing electrons), and why you don't fry your face when you look into a microwave. Put your phone in a locker? you wont get signal.

So btw if its metal box...thats a faraday cage...which is the basis for shielding electric components....

So if you say a metal cage is not shielding, I have to question your intelligence. Using those maxwells equations along with simple material engineering calculations, you can easily find the thickness of metal you'll need. Of course those boxs themselves are not just any metal, they're probably aluminum which is cheap and has fantastic electrical conduction. So of course these boxs dont have to be that thick to absorb a short low level gamma burst.

in case you didnt know, this is how solar sails work. They absorb EMR and accelerate from conservation of momentum.

OH and I dont quite understand why you would bring up something that happened in the 1800s to prove a point...because we change a lot since then, in fact because of that event we added shielding to most fundamental equipment.

Lol trust me, i know what im talking about, you sound ridiculous.

DJexs

No they are not they are thins sheets of metal that won't do shit to protect from a 90 min electrical flare. Thank you for proving how ignorant you are, do you got to your doctors office and tell him whats wrong with you? Not only do you know nothing about our electrical infrastructure or how electricity even works; but you clearly do not even know what happened during the carrington event, where people were electrocuted and bolts of lighting flew from pylons. [ 1 ][ 2 ][ 3 ][ 4 ]

I am sure though that scientist all over the world, publications like popular science, me with years of experience, and thousands of other electricians around the country are all wrong, and you, some asshole on the internet who has no clue what they are talking about is right. Yea that is logical.

k0s

Im an electrical engineer with materials experience....

I've looked at those articles and they dont say anything contrary to what I said.

We see solar storms all the time. You would know if you ever had to voltage adjustments on pipeline's polarities. During a solar storm a pipeline absorbs a bunch of power from the waves, and I have to calculate what to adjust our rectifiers to, so that the pipe doesnt corrode.

Now guess what? my gear still works. your gear works. Our shit isn't getting fired up. This is because we adjust the power going through the lines from fail safes and lowering power output, and your gear is in a metal box. You as an electrician wouldn't know of this. All you do is install shit, so dont act like you know anything. Im the guy who puts this stuff on paper. Every IC I design goes inside a metal case. Otherwise even a small solar flare well melt all the thin cables in the IC.

Heres the proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_shielding

If you dont understand the math, dont bother replying. This is what I work on everyday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzqUum7MalE http://www.todayshomeowner.com/how-to-protect-your-home-from-solar-flares-and-solar-storms/ http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=23274 http://space.stackexchange.com/questions/1034/how-are-the-astronauts-in-the-iss-protected-from-solar-flares

01011011101101

It would break the balance of power in the world for sure but humanity would ultimately survive... and be better for it.

Justnit

The cynic in me expects that the richer members of society are the ones that will survive. After all they have the cash to fund and operate a militia right from the start of an incident. Wheras the average person will have a few months of supplies, a car and little else.

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Well, if society breaks down and I need resources I'm probably going to raid the people that own the 1.5 million dollar house before anything else. Rich people in an apocalyptic situation are the easy pickings imo. You can't eat money.

flyawayhigh

While this report may exaggerate the ramifications (90 percent dead is pretty crazy even in an extreme condition like this), the possibility is very real.

Just recall ... Bush had some pretty good warnings of 9-11 on his desk. And, just a few years later, after Dan Rather of all people made a big spectacle about it, the flooding of New Orleans was considered one of the three most likely disasters to come in an official Pentagon report.

They happened!

And then we were hearing, gee, nobody could expect this.

I think this story belongs in v/news too.

BitchoftheBunch

I fucking dream of this and jerk off....