queenhootie

wow what more evidence do you need, THEY are lying to us ... hard to believe any MSM anymore

CredAndBercuses

This was debunked on Reddit

CT moved those 27 deaths to another section of the report, so they weren't included in the FBI's summary.

Although I do agree with you, the whole thing seems fabricated anyway.

smokratez

It's not on accident. They have to tell us what they are doing. I thought you guys knew about the freemasonic rules.

goatboy

They are not invincible. They have internal traitors, fairweather friends, and powerful external enemies. The war is definitely not over before it's begun, no matter how desperate things might seem in the months and years ahead.

Empire_of_the_mind

metabunk is hella bunk. get outta here with that garbage

BitchoftheBunch

thank you for the link, I will give it a look

Sullysq

Rosa Ellen Cohen

Any relation to John (Cohen) Kerry?

Taka

Anyone with a brain knows that the shooting never happened at all.

Bilbo_Swaggins

Well, yes. They fell for clock kid, didn't they? The only problem with that one is that it was so obvious that they were sued, leading Fox at least to start actually reporting the events in question.

Lake

Who was sued? I stopped following that roughly by the second day because of how absurd it was.

Bilbo_Swaggins

I thought that the family was, but actually they are the ones suing.

But, as legal analysts have pointed out, this is probably going to backfire- since they raked in the sweet gibs after doing that, the family will likely be found guilty of a crime.

Lake

Give me a fucking break. He's getting to travel the country, meet with people that some kids that actually care would only dream about, and getting all kinds of free shit all because of a clock he took apart and clearly tried to make look like a bomb?

Thanks for the link but I just remembered why I stopped following it.

Bilbo_Swaggins

It's sheer dildocracy. Take the most undeserving kid you can possibly find, and give him every accolade and gizmo you've got. The best thing about this situation is that it is so ludicrous as to be completely untenable- there's no way that fuckers this dumb will win in the end.

Bilbo_Swaggins

I love how, for added conspiracy points, it's a Jew. For that matter, does that make Michael part Jewish?

Turbo_Sloth

Jew fuel can't melt steel beams!

HoneyNutStallmans

Jet fuel can melt real Jews, though.

Upvoats_McGoats

Guys, think about this for a second. Why would 9/11 have been setup by the government? Well, look at what it allowed them to do in the wake of it. The world has been changed forever because of that event and the "justification" for future events.

Now, what has changed since Sandy Hook? Barely a damn thing. Nothing has changed at the Federal level (where this would have to be organized) and only a small number of very liberal Governors and Mayors were able to pass things like magazine limits.

The number of people you'd have to bribe and keep quiet about this sort of thing far exceeds just the people who were directly related to those 20 kids. You'd have to bribe the entire town. And for what? Basically nothing has changed!!

pitenius

Ok -- you're thinking, so I respect that. I also have no real information, but a little more speculation: maybe it failed? maybe Maybe Peter Lanza was the target, not "guns"?

Upvoats_McGoats

That makes even less sense. It would be incredibly easy for an assassination to take place and make it look like a really bad car crash. Several orders of magnitude easier to do that than to bribe an entire town, etc, etc.

Sorry, you have to look at these things logically and that makes no sense. It's incredibly inefficient and unnecessary.

pitenius

Perhaps. All I'm saying is that if we find incontrovertible evidence that it was faked, we still don't know why without a leak. We can guess, but we don't know. I'd also guard against "looking at these things logically" -- we should try to document. What appears logical depends on our preconceived notions. The "logical" answer to nearly every conspiracy theory is "the news wouldn't lie because they'd lose credibility when people found out".

I'm not particularly an adherent of the theory I linked. I admit that I'm operating from a position of ignorance. Also, the operation may have been unsuccessful.

CJFish

If this was a psyop, it doesn't seem to have been a terribly successful one. That doesn't mean it wasn't one.

poly

Tptb have been lying to the American public for generations. The only thing thats changed is the public is starting to figure it out, with help from internet.

DaBagel

While I see your point that nothing much has changed, it's possible that the aim of this event was thought control. People's views on guns have changed and not necessarily the gun laws.

Upvoats_McGoats

I don't really see any change in views on guns. Maybe a few people were switched in their minds to wanting tougher gun control but nothing came of it.

What I will say this has done is be yet another grotesque event that is wrapped up in the fabric of our society. We're getting used to this. We bombed a damn Doctors Without Borders Hospital - I don't hear anybody talking about it around the office. I don't see any massive protests. What would citizens have done in the 60's/70's if security agency documents were leaked at the same level as Edward Snowden documents of recent years? I think people would have rioted in DC, honestly. Now? We get this slow leak after leak of information.

We're being conditioned to not see these horrifying abuses of power, corruption or outright murder in front of us as anything out of the ordinary. We're also being conditioned to realize that even if we did rise up we wouldn't win.

That's the only real reason I could say for a mass murder but, if we're honest, crazy people carry them out regularly every year. There's zero reason for the government to stage Sandy Hook from what I can see.

poly

Gun control was achieved in Australia only after a string of high profile shootings accompanied by media hype. Didne we just have two shootings in one day recently? They wont stop staging these fake shootings until they get what they want.... and the the shootings will cease and the powers that be will say "see, gun control works", just like they did in Australia

Upvoats_McGoats

It seems like you're implying that all these shootings are fake? I mean, you can see the people bury their loved ones. I'm sorry but it's not possible for the government to rely on tens of thousands of people all pretending. I don't care how much money they offer people, there's no way a bunch of plebeians are going to turn thespian. These people would never be able to act that well.

DaBagel

Well said. That means that even if Sandy Hook wasn't completely staged, or at all, then it did effect thought control! People's thoughts are not their own.

Drenki

People's minds don't have to be changed necessarily, but the voices who believe in restricting firearms are growing louder and more insistent. That message is beginning to repeat over and over in the left-wing echo chamber and eventually it will just be the default attitude of anyone freshly brought into the system.

Obama is stuck. He's facing a completely Republican-controlled congress. If he attempts to take action through executive order, he will be immediately and happily impeached for attempting to violate the constitutional process. This congress will never try to convene a constitutional convention to affect a change in gun laws.

We are safe for now.

But if this system makes it another 8 years without collapsing (and we are very, very close to collapse), you can rest assured that the next Democratic candidate will make gun restrictions a major plank in their platform.

goatboy

I used to think the secret cabal was just a bunch of greedy psychopaths. I was fine with that. Pschopath behavior is predictable and easy to navigate. But these idiots are suicidal too- trying to take away Americans guns. True psychopaths aren't suicidal. These people are a much more dangerous type of crazy- zealots. They're going to bring about the extinction of the species and die right along side or underneath everyone else. If there is a god, may he have mercy on us all.

Drenki

You weren't wrong in your first thought. There is a cabal, but it isn't located in the U.S. and it will not suffer one bit if everyone here were to lay down and die.

Drenki

You should make this a separate post in /v/Conspiracy with more details.

Shermans

Sandy hook elementary isn't located in the city, it's address 375 Fan Hill Road, Monroe , CT 06468. You would have to find the statistics by looking for townships .

30GoingOn13

Sandy Hook was originally located in Newtown; after the shooting and the decision to demolish the school and rebuild (on the same spot), the vacant Chalk Hill Middle School in Monroe was renamed Sandy Hook and is being utilized until the new building is complete.

What gets me is that the demolition was guarded, with workers signing confidentiality agreements to "protect the victims and their families"

Also, the state modified its FOIA in order to "prevent the release of crime-scene photos and video evidence from the SHES massacre and other COnnecticut homicides" over concern that the records would be spread on the Internet

catchavirus

Correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't they modify that law preventing the release of crime scene photos about 6 months or so before Sandy Hook?

MCVoat

Monroe is listed there too, with 0 murders.

Shermans

township

MCVoat

But wouldn't the township numbers be included in the city it's under?

NotA-atWork

No, the name doesn't legally attach the township to the city.

HST

Ministry of Truth is slacking.

deerhoof_fan

The memory hole must be clogged.

BitchoftheBunch

There was a video on youtube of a guy looking into land records and deeds from Newton. On christmas that year, all mortgages were paid off for something like 100+ houses.

that was fucking weird .

Drenki

Supposedly it was related to a change in the software being used and I can completely see that happening as most organizations and especially governments are not equipped to evaluate such a thing.

If there are houses in the system with the $0 entry which are not related to people whose children were victims, school staff, law enforcement, or otherwise involved in the incident, then it's pretty strong evidence that it's just a computer oddity.

I haven't had regular TV in a very long time so I didn't watch any of the footage that was shown on the news.

Empire_of_the_mind

the main rebuttal to that is the date was Christmas. typically a date for a mass data dump would reflect the date of database activity. It's highly unlikely someone spent xmas day updating this. Also, there was some correlation between impacted families and the houses - it wasn't like every house in the area had this sale date.

BitchoftheBunch

I don't own a TV either but you can read about all this type of shit.

As for the BS software story....WHO THE FUCK GOES TO THE OFFICE ON CHRISTMAS TO PLAY WITH SOFTWARE

They did it on that date because most people would not notice. Funny how it took a web sleuth to <identify> the problem.

I call shenanigans.

An office worker that works on holidays is like a politician telling the truth ----> Ain't gonna happen

The Sandy Hook school shooting was a giant, elaborate hoax and no one really died; that’s the conclusion Wolfgang Halbig, a former educator, US Customs agent and Florida state trooper, has reached after ten months of investigation and multiple disputes with federal, state and school authorities.

Halbig is convinced a deluge of discrepancies prove that the whole scenario was a scripted event. >

pitenius

WHO THE FUCK GOES TO THE OFFICE ON CHRISTMAS TO PLAY WITH SOFTWARE

Jews.

That's half anti-Semitic joke, half truth. I usually work on Christmas -- no one will be around to bother you. (Transatlantic flights are usually cheaper and wide open.) Not everyone has the same holidays.

BitchoftheBunch

well government offices won't let a person work on Christmas

Unless I am mistaken govmt institutions do not open their doors to anybody during national holidays

pitenius

They do. Especially if you have a key. Some gov.t institutions basically never close. Most military installations are always occupied.

Edit to clarify: I used to work at a Federal Depository Library. I was in on Christmas. Also, remote logins. (I agree that this is odd, but I think someone was hiding from office staff -- the fact that we have the record is curious. A better conspiracy would have forced dates. I've seen that happen -- even when it's contradicted by the internal documentation. But... uh... I'll be quiet about birth certificate shenanigans.)

BitchoftheBunch

Well at least it does bring up a possibility.

Halbig's testimony and experience on the case still brings up some questions. Maybe somebody knows more about his case?

Drenki

Oh shit, I had no idea it was done on Christmas day, wtf!

BitchoftheBunch

yep, christmas fucking day....how convenient

kinda like all those ILLEGAL transactions that took place minutes before a big fucking plane hit the tower....

ziggurattt

I know that a lot of software is automated, and it's entirely possible that whatever process that ran to check these mortgages and payoffs just happened to run on December 25th. It wasn't necessarily an actual person working on Christmas.

BitchoftheBunch

1) How did almost the entire city pay off their mortage on 100-200 houses in one shot? In a city like Chicago MAYBE you get 100-200 mortage sign offs in a day, but not in a city the size of Sandy Hook. Did they all share a winning lottery ticket and all decided to pay their houses off during that month? (takes a month to get the process done, so these people would have paid their homes off all at the same time?)

2) A batch process when you have nobody around? Any and all bank/city record changes are not done outside of business days, especially not on major holidays. When you pay off your mortage they tell you it will take around 30 BUSINESS days to process the info

3) A manager would have had to sign off on every single once, does not make sense that he signed off the mortage on 100-200 houses before the holiday and then they decided to process the whole shabang on Christmas

Simply does not add up.

poly

Sandy Hook parents won the lottery at a rate that is highly suspicious. Some even won twice http://google.com/search?q=Sandy+Hook+Lottery

BitchoftheBunch

LOL but it was probably some <computer glitch> LOL

klongtoey

oops!