camelToe

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camelToe

Whats to know. Vaccines save lives. The evidence they cause autism was gathered through bad science and has not been validated through other research. Thats all you need to know to dismiss anti-vaxxers as kooks. And since the "pro-choice" (more like "kill your kids" amirite?) meme took hold its gonna take more people like Jimmy and the internet (who must all be shills waging a "propaganda campaign") to reverse the damage its doing.

SomeoneOnTheInternet

How does dismissing one bad study = vaccines are safe?

Is there definite proof that vaccines don't cause diabetes? or autism? Or asthma? Or cancer? Or ADD? Or any other problems?

There is a ton of studies where scientists are raising questions about the inadequacy of the science on vaccines:

  • This preliminary study found that acetaminophen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was associated with autistic disorder.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18445737

  • In addition, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBPautoantibodies, suggesting a causal association between MMR and brain autoimmunity in autism .

    http://www.icdrc.org/documents/Abstract%20702%20Abnormal%20Measles%20Serology%20and%20Autoimmunity.pdf

  • Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism .

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

  • Classen has published data from both New Zealand and Italy that the Hepatitis B vaccine, when given after 2 months of life, is associated with an approximately 50% increased risk of diabetes. The CDC only published part of their data on the hepatitis B vaccine. The CDC found the hepatitis B vaccine was associated with an overall decreased risk of diabetes (relative risk 0.92) which is consistent with a large per cent of those vaccinated receiving the vaccine at birth. The CDC however found that those immunized starting after 2 months of life were at a 60% increased risk of developing diabetes than those immunized starting in the first month of life (.88/.52). The CDC's hepatitis B vaccine data is thus also consistent with Classen's finding. The CDC's study and analysis suffered from some obvious limitations and flaws. The CDC studied only 260 diabetics and 780 controls while Dr. Classen's studies typically have involved 100,000 people or more. The CDC's study did not compensate for the interaction between the two different vaccines since people received both the hepatitis B vaccine and the hemophilus vaccine while Classen studied these vaccines. In 1997 the CDC also presented an analysis on the hepatitis B vaccine, also from the same HMO data source, but did not use either "fudge" factor. In this study the hepatitis B vaccine, when given after 8 weeks of life, was associated with a 90% increased risk of diabetes. The fact that the CDC manipulates similar data in different years using different "fudge" factors has raised suspicion that their analysis is severely flawed and their interpretations of the data should be viewed with caution.separately. http://www.cmu.edu/CSR/case_studies/vaccine_diabetes_yes.html

  • This primate model provides a possible means of assessing adverse neurodevelopmental outcomes from neonatal Th-containing hepatitis B vaccine exposure , particularly in infants of lower GA or BW. The mechanisms underlying these effects and the requirements for Th requires further study.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20711932

  • study supports an association between increasing organic-mercury exposure from Thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines and the subsequent risk of specific delays in development among males and females.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4215490/

  • we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days after immunization

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1647245/

  • We found that immunity does not even persist into early childhood in some cases. We also observed that DPT vaccine does not fully protect children against the level of clinical disease defined by WHO . Our results indicate that children ages 5-6 years and possibly younger, ages 2-3 years, play a role as silent reservoirs in the transmission of pertussis in the community. More studies are needed to find the immunologic basis of protection against infection and colonization and thus an effective way to eradicate pertussis.

    http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/6/5/00-0512_article

  • Previous flu vaccinations could increase the chance of getting the flu by as much as 2.5 times.

    http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1000258&representation=PDF

  • flu shots can increase susceptibility to the flu by lowering immunity.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3209321/pdf/zjv11995.pdf

  • TIV recipients had an increased risk of virologically-confirmed non-influenza infections (relative risk: 4.40; 95% confidence interval: 1.31-14.8). Receipt of TIV could increase influenza immunity at the expense of reduced immunity to noninfluenza respiratory viruses [440% increase in non-influenza infections in those who were vaccinated for influenza]

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/

  • evidence "convincingly supports" a causal relationship between influenza vaccine and anaphylaxis

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK230057/

  • We documented here the evidence of the potential of the HPV vaccine to trigger a life-disabling autoimmune condition . The increasing number of similar reports of post HPV vaccine-linked autoimmunity and the uncertainty of long-term clinical benefits of HPV vaccination are a matter of public health that warrants further rigorous inquiry.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23902317

  • Vaccines and Autism http://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/86-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link

  • "No safety comparisons could be carried out, emphasising the need for standardisation of methods and presentation of vaccine safety data in future studies. In specific cases, influenza vaccines were associated with serious harms such as narcolepsy and febrile convulsions. It was surprising to find only one study of inactivated vaccine in children under two years, given current recommendations to vaccinate healthy children from six months of age in the USA, Canada, parts of Europe and Australia. If immunisation in children is to be recommended as a public health policy, large-scale studies assessing important outcomes, and directly comparing vaccine types are urgently required . The degree of scrutiny needed to identify all global cases of potential harms is beyond the resources of this review. This review includes trials funded by industry." Studies funded from public sources were significantly less likely to report conclusions favorable to the vaccines . The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin .... there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions and spurious notoriety of the studies."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22895945

  • A new syndrome, namely the autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants ASIA , has recently been defined alluding to the key role of adjuvant in inducing an immune-mediated condition.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23733136

  • "this anti-inflammatory phenotype may be beneficial to the neonate at a time when tissue growth and remodelling events are taking place at a rapid pace... thus the inability of the neonate to respond to infection with encapsulated bacteria may be the risk the organism takes for successful development. " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17495050

  • Recently, the ASIA (autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants) syndrome was recognized, indicating the possible contribution of adjuvants and vaccines to the development of autoimmunity.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22054760

  • Adjuvant oils such as Bayol F (Incomplete Freund's adjuvant: IFA) and squalene (MF59) have been used in human and veterinary vaccines despite poor understanding of their mechanisms of action . Nevertheless, the potential of adjuvant hydrocarbon oils to induce autoimmunity has implications in the use of oil adjuvants in human and veterinary vaccines as well as basic research.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15194169

  • Furthermore, the non-specific effects (NSE) are substantial causing greater than fifty percent changes in all cause mortality in certain settings, yet have never been systematically tested despite the fact that millions of children receive vaccines each year. As we strive to eliminate infectious diseases through vaccination programmes, the relative impact of NSE of vaccines on mortality is likely to increase, raising important questions regarding the future of certain vaccine schedules

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21300095/

  • These data demonstrate that the cytokine profile of 6-month-old infants is influenced by the type of formulation of the pertussis vaccine they received at 2, 3 and 4 months of life. Large prospective studies would be warranted to evaluate the possible long-term consequences of this early modulation of the cytokine responses in infants.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17116347/

  • Studies funded from public sources were significantly less likely to report conclusions favourable to the vaccines. The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions and spurious notoriety of the studies.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22895945

  • "For the immune molecules that we know are important, almost nothing is understood about their mechanisms of action. "

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3059681/

catova

With the lack of information 20 + years ago, it was easy for the medical profession, politicians, and corporations to lie to you and call you a kook or conspiracy theorist. Today, with access to more and more information, people are making more informed decisions about their health, who to vote for, or which products to buy. Corporations that want to survive, will need to put out a product that is safe and effective and not rely on name calling and threats to push their products.

camelToe

With the lack of information 20 + years ago

Today, with access to more and more information

Corporations that want to survive

Link me 5 studies, not blogspam links, 5 studies, that support the conclusion vaccines cause autism.

catova

Its easy to perform a study to prove whatever conclusion your trying to reach. Isn't observation at the core of science. Growing up in the eighties, out of +1800 kids in our high school there was maybe 3 or 4 kids that had some type of disability and maybe 5 or 6 were obese. Childhood cancers, obesity, diabetes, autism, and auto-immune disorders are becoming very common in school age children. Whats really changed since then, the introduction of GMO foods, the dramatic increase of vaccines, and increased use of electronics. We cant always blame video games and Doritos for the ills of this world, my bet is on vaccines.

camelToe

Its easy to perform a study to prove whatever conclusion your trying to reach.

So then it should be easy to find 5 studies that conclude vaccines cause autism then. Off you go. I'll be waiting here patiently, i wont even critique your sources so long as they are academic, not blogspam.

Childhood cancers, obesity, diabetes, autism, and auto-immune disorders are becoming very common in school age children.

Diet has worsened significantly, as sedentary lifestyles have increased. Autism is detected these days, back then it was only known of when presenting with severe symptoms.

Whats really changed since then, the introduction of GMO foods, the dramatic increase of vaccines, and increased use of electronics.

GMO dangers are towards other crops, not to the humans consuming them.

The same vaccine (MMR) implicated in the debunked study has been in widespread use the whole time, it has not increased.

Please explain how using electronics poses a threat. I figure you might be referring to some 'sedentary lifestyles' kind of argument here, i just want to be sure.

We cant always blame video games and Doritos for the ills of this world, my bet is on vaccines.

Mine is on Aliens, but until i can find at least 5 studies to support my ideas, its little more than a wild idea. And you do not make the kind of extremely important high stakes bets like exposing a generation to epidemics of highly aggressive diseases, on some wild idea or speculation.

catova

If your parent concerned about vaccinating a child, just do some research on youtube about vaccine harm or read the back of any vaccine insert. It should make you think twice about vaccinating. If you work for a pharma company then it doesn't matter what I say. You'll produce efficacy studies to suit your conclusions, bribe a couple politicians, offer CDC bureaucrats cushy executive jobs, or create an over hyped media story to scare people into vaccinating. If your parent, please do your research. Also, I like the Aliens theory that was funny.

camelToe

So you were unable to provide me with any studies that conclude vaccines cause autism. Why?

But anyway you still suggest i should reject vaccination. To "protect from harm" i guess is your twisted logic... logic based on youtube videos, is that right? You do know how much garbage is on youtube. Anybody with video editing software can make something which looks like TV, but without any of the "standards" you'd expect from TV.

This is not evidence.

You know the risk of harm from diseases we have vaccinations against? The crippling effects of measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, whooping cough, tuberculosis, HPV? Ill health, disability and early death is the harm presented by these diseases. This is science fact. The autism link a fraudster kook came up with is science fiction, which was debunked and he was stripped of his license. This is not a concpiracy, i am not a shill, please stop promoting the illness, disability and death of the next generation.