un1ty

It's not just you. - not by a long run.

There are people placed in certain walks of life that are used by the state apparatus to further agendas. Yes, like the affluent non-white person causing a ruckus over privilege at an Ivy League university. Like the agent-provocateurs that light up police cars in a peaceful protest and blame the protesters. Like the millions of troll accounts that do nothing but grief others and claim to represent some group of people only to make them look as bad as possible (TEA Party comes to mind). The state media apparatus is working overtime right now because they, the cabal, are in their last stages of control. They're losing and they know it.

So whats happening?

The last effort to incite a WW so as to destroy whats left of national and state boundaries in order to move the new world order into control faster. If not, it will not be under their control. If they can get the NWO under their control, it will be a fascist control of the world.

Then again, it all depends on what you want to see or believe - some say this is complete and utter chaos and is simply the nature of humans playing itself out. It is more accessible thanks to technology so we end up seeing more.

Javik2186

I don't think you're crazy at all.

I think that this is all an large distraction to get us off the real issue. Mainly the TPP. News of the TPP breaks out, then the gates of hell open at Mizzou afterward. This was planned from the very beginning.

New_years_day

You are 100% correct. Human's are so easily manipulated it's pretty fucking sad.

The people in charge know this and exploit it constantly, not just in the US either, it's all over the world, and it's all about power/greed.

TimberWolfAlpha

You became aware of it one day. It IS more hyped and more emphasized now than it used to be, but it has been around in one form or another since the 80s at the very least, and likely earlier than even that, I just don't have any reference further back than that.

goatboy

Of course it is. The only thing that exists is survival of the fittest. Everything else is livestock domestication.

Infinomnian_Messiah

Oh ya it's totally all divide and conquer, politics, religion, gender politics, and same shit's going on in Europe throwing migrants into every last little hamlet that hasn't seen a murder in 20 years. And the shills are everywhere you look online now too

OrangeKraken

I feel like in this current age of the internet its very obvious who is paying who and how the manipulation takes place. Its very annoying that most people just buy into the hype, but when one group controls every little detail of someones life through their food, healthcare, entertainment and even education its hard to see otherwise. Frankly all you need to do to really wake up is just understand how money is created along with its history. Then simply follow it down the rabbit hole and see where all those dollars really go.

The propaganda is so rich you almost develop a taste for it. Hard to shake others out of the brainwashed state of mind when its all they know. Its very hard to not be cynical but I feel from my experiences over the years that more people are waking up to smell the bullshit.

OpalDragon

I was told once that humans can only be concerned about 20 or so things at once. anything more than that and everything becomes a jumble or we deprioritise something. whenever the mob gets a hold of something it forces us to pay attention. I feel that this is more a result of modern civ and information overload then a "grand design" if it was part of a grand design things might appear to be more directed toward a "good" then jsut sort of haphazardly lurching from overly dramatized narrative to another.

TheDude2

This is coming straight from the white house. How can we get everyone to just ignore it?

Lag-wagon

Ding ding ding

carbanara

A classic british power play in the middle east was to put someone who felt they were being held down, and put them into power. There would be so much chaos, nothing would actually get done, they would let everything circulate for a while, and then replace them with someone else who feels they were being held down. All the while, the britains had lots of time to plan their next move to take over their economy.

This is precisely whats happening.

pitenius

That's just a distraction from the demiurgic control matrix...

Ooh... In many ways, I agree with this. I'm tempted to cite sources and roll up a big conspiritard ball of thematically resonant, half-baked ideas, but... I'll focus on practical advice. I've seen two ways of confronting this problem, oddly both from fiction: The Demolished Man and The Yattering and Jack . I'd say The Demolish Man is the "darker" of the two paths, both of which have religious precursors.

There seems to be a problem in existence. And it seems that it can only be addressed in metaphor.

dabork

TPP is moving into final stages, gotta keep people pissed off at other stuff before they realize their window of opportunity to stop this shit is closing fast.

dabork

You mean the entire front page being nothing but obvious race-bait and SJW drama bullshit isn't an accident?

Surely you jest.

Clearly everybody on this site wants to see 9 different articles about the same incident, you guys are just tinfoil hat fags.

thatguyiam

Dabork, come join the sdbh subverse, we need more like you. To all others, he's not disagreeing , he's agreeing.

dabork

Subbed.

0x7a69

Could be entirely to rile up the hillary supporters you know.

kyprioth

Those still exist? Fuck.

cointelpro_shill

Oh yeah, forgot that consent is one of the 1,000 topics related to the SJW conversation. I suppose there are bound to be a few practical issues in there.

Consent isn't really related to "policing people's thoughts", though. That's why I say the conversation is nebulous. The majority of topics seem to be social concerns. Which, it seems to me, describes your thoughts about SJW culture potentially leading to authoritarianism.

cointelpro_shill

My problem with the "SJW thing" the conversation isn't threatening to change or enact any federal policies, not any time soon. It's all "Stuff '''racists''' say/do" or "Stuff student unions say/do". It's a philosophically important conversation, but it's not a practical issue. It's a nebulous political clusterfuck. And it has the very real effect of polarizing people to the left or right. Which I think is why MSM is covering it so much.

crusade

SJWs are essentially the unofficial enforcement branch of the government. They hold all the same beliefs. Instead of getting physically disappeared like in the 20th century, not you get your livelihood, family, and means to survive disappeared.

There's no distinction between establishment and SJW, only that SJW support establishment than the establishment does itself.

kyprioth

The moderates. The moderates with more moderates. And change the root causes of issues instead of attacking the surface issues. Not 100% on what those are, someone mentioned the screwed up education system making the SJW, and assuming this was going to happen, I'd suggest looking into stuff like that. But mostly atm I mean people have got to stop spending so much energy attacking SJWs when they themselves are being manipulated, aside maybe the leaders.

k_digi

most of it is meat puppet fighting with themselves - so it has much less 'real' participation than you think, even when the perps pay off some shills like the 'Alex Jones' brand to prattle on, most people ignore it. humans have a pretty good 'bullshit meter'

CarlosShyamalan

Left versus Right

Feminists versus Meninists

BLM versus white power

Libertarianism versus Social Democracy

Pro refugee versus PEgIdA and co

I think people just like to project their anger against each other, and there are some people that are seriously exploiting this...

mirimar

The feminists and sjws are doing a great job dividing us already. No government intervention necessary.

yousmell_likedog

I dont know if you saw this post earlier aabout how the elites divide us on the same site i have here, but if you look its called Hegelian Dialectics http://www.globalistagenda.org/keytactics.htm

kyprioth

I'll look at it at home, still getting into the whole 'conspiracy' thing, so don't have much sources yet.

entropyosaurus

Ya my point is that the differences are superficial at best (and serve more to divide the lower class than anything else) as the US has been on the same educational, political and economic course since its founding regardless of "governing party." So I don't really believe this:

But this does not mean that the battle of ideas between conservativism and leftism is irrelevant. In this environment, it is more crucial than ever.

aeoo

You concern yourself on the SJW issue too hard and forget about the bigger picture.

Absolutely. Nobody wants people to think about the fact that applying for a job is an act of supplication, that we're wage slaves, and that we have people with so much wealth among us, they make the old kings blush, and yet most country lives paycheck to paycheck in wage slavery while also paying the poor tax by being ripped off by "services" which target the poor with incredibly shitty deals.

So let's not notice that ! Anything but that!

So let's ignore the big issue, the fact that we're all slaves in a prison complex, and instead let's discuss gays, abortion, guns, and now SJWs. It's all bullshit.

New_years_day

IT'S ALL BULLSHIT.

antiplebbitor

Now you are a thinking man.

Calm down, comrade, you've clearly had a bit too much to think...

kyprioth

You raise a good point, it's not like they're not issues (the SJW and other 'distractions') and we should definitely do something, but can't that doing something be uniting against the exact evils you speak of?

jewsbadnews

Well George Soros is behind this million march thing.

magnora

And #blacklivesmatter

kyprioth

Go on

the_devils_lettuce

I think you're absolutely right. And people are absolutely retarded. They're focused on being the most victimized of the victim classes, so that they can gain the most special privilege over other groups. It's pathetic.

kyprioth

But at the same time, focusing on that issue isn't looking far enough up. That too is a distraction. The SJWs are puppets too.

entropyosaurus

So what's the difference between conservatives and leftists in this country?

antiplebbitor

One wants your money and to control you, the other wants your money and to censor you.

entropyosaurus

and you can't tell which is which.

Atarian

I'm not sure SJWism is here to divide the people - IMHO it's to control your thoughts and speech so the Powers that Be can do what they want without you being able to call you out on it.

In Sweden you can get arrested for merely criticising government immigration policy.

In the UK, you can still do it without getting arrested, but only if you are extremely careful. Even then, people scream RACIST!!! which apparently automatically invalidates your opinion somehow.

Your pesky constitution is getting in their way quite nicely though.

cky_stew

Haha there is always that one guy on voat bringing immigrants and race into things.

Atarian

And it's me!!!

I guess it's in my mind all lot with what's going on here in Europe.

kyprioth

But isn't that trying to divide people into minorities+allies vs 'racists'? It would weaken people who don't want the government to control speech by demonizing them in one extreme side and alienate the middle ground by making both seem like horrible ideas. Not that it can't serve both purposes.

cynoclast

Yes. Yes, it is. And so many conservatives and liberals alike fall for it. @brother_tempus and @BoiseNTheHood being two right leaning useful idiots, but they exist on the left too.

antiplebbitor

You being a prime example of the latter sort.

Posting Sanders shit when you should be railing against the sort of insane shit he's proposing. Et cetera. No one is always correct. I find you more repugnant than either of the two users you've mentioned, precisely because you claim to understand that there's a bigger game afoot, yet you still stick to trying to be the lord of small matters...

cynoclast

I'm not "left" I'm Quadrant III if you want to oversimplify things a little less: https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=-2.38&soc=-5.38

Posting Sanders shit when you should be railing against the sort of insane shit he's proposing. Et cetera.

Except I don't think anything he's proposing is insane. His platform is basically FDR's second bill of rights (a concept that is 70 years old) + politics is corrupt and America is an oligarchy .

Which are conclusions I had reached on my own before he announced he was running. It's the biggest problem in America that only he is talking about solving.

Possible

It's getting a lot of play in the media. I'd rather talk about the TPP.

Dont_Panic

Currently reaching a fever pitch right when the entire country should be mobilizing against the TPP.

draaaak

Absolutely.

brandon816

Maybe. It's definitely taken the place of some of the older sort of arguments, like politics.

Konran

Divide to conquer, and then divide to rule. This has been played out on so many occassions that I, like you, wonder why people continue to fall for the same bullshit.

There are 6 billion or so people on this planet, each with their own opinions and judgements which they essentially believe to be right. But how can any of us be 100% right - if one of us actually is, then the other 6 billion or so must then be wrong?

It frustrates me that we don't focus on our similarities such as wanting a safe and comfortable life where we are given time and support to explore our separate interests and talents for the benefit of each other.

Pryce604

Wonderfully said. People need to come together and focus on what matters instead of falling into political theatre.

beijingsteamer

That's exactly what I don't get. Doesn't everyone want to just enjoy what little time we have on this earth. Why spend it fighting one another and attacking one another? We're all gonna day. So let's make our time worth it.

TimberWolfAlpha

Doesn't everyone want to just enjoy what little time we have on this earth.

No, not really. There are people out there far more focused on denying other people something they feel is wrong for those people to have, than on pursuing their own happiness. People are not at all reasonable. They are not rational. Presuming they are, and that they'll be happy to leave each other alone is folly.

Ar_Nimruzir

I, like you, wonder why people continue to fall for the same bullshit.

Because history is cyclical human beings are stupid, all of us, me included...

That's why I can't read books about the rise and fall of empires anymore, it is too depressing. I used to love reading about Byzantine history, but watching their bureaucracy inflate to the point of total ineffectiveness, watching them destroy social programs at the expense of a huge defense budget which helped usher in their downfall, watching their currency inflate because they didn't have a proper understanding of economics, it just reminded me too much of New Rome (read: America), which is my country...

It frustrates me that we don't focus on our similarities such as wanting a safe and comfortable life where we are given time and support to explore our separate interests and talents for the benefit of each other.

Meowth had it right back when I was a kid.

stolencatkarma

You shouldn't be depressed. It's all part of the life cycle. We don't cry over catapillars becoming buttetflies.

The universe as it is couldn't exist without fire and choas. Order comes after choas newly reborn and something better and new exists.

pitenius

To protect the world from devastation!
To unite all people within our nation!
To denounce the evils of truth and love!
To extend our reach to the stars of above!

Ar_Nimruzir

Yo but for real, Meowth is right.

pitenius

Maybe we're not supposed to be in empires?

The introduction to Polybios discusses these cycles. When I read it at 15, I thought he was making excuses for Greek failure in light of Roman success. Now... yeah... I think he had it about right. But we're not empires. We're people. Yard apes! We have the same freedom as the monkey! We are not beholden to laws in books! We can steal the ripest of fruits, hump the most swollen of asses, and fling poo at all our enemies! We don't have to further the progress of New Rome. (Why would we ever pick Rome as the model? It's better known for its inevitability and doom than its enlightenment and continuity. Fuck it, Vandal tribesmen seemed like yard apes to Romans.)

Ar_Nimruzir

No, we are not. Our brains are primed for in-groups of no more then several hundred and we are simply glorified apes, but we can achieve so much if only we work for it!!

A great read, and an even greater master to learn from; Polybius ha much to teach us. It is a shame that standard western curriculum does not teach the great ancient Mediterranean thinkers...

But I do believe America is the new Rome, one of the reasons being it won't last...

Ar_Nimruzir

Team Rocket Blasts off at the speed of light!

Surrender now or prepare to fight!

Tokyofpv

Religion is the number one bullshit best seller.
How much money does it take to build a church/mosque/temple ?
Fuck loads!
Where does the money come from and why are these corporations tax exempt?

Bullshit sells and it sells really well if you can get enough people to say your bullshit is the shit.

escapefromredditbay

goes into comment section about how people are being divided calls up religion, therefore dividing people

Tokyofpv

Nice try Christian.

escapefromredditbay

thats a lot of assumption you have there. it would be a wrong assumption

Tokyofpv

Nice try Buddhist.

escapefromredditbay

uh, nope. now your just throwing guesses at the wall.