Why would Al Qaeda, ISIS and whatever other groups if they were real attack Europe or North America when right in their backyard is their major enemy whose insertion into the middle east caused so much destabilization there?

Israel has been through several wars with neighboring countries. They have been through vicious attacks with rockets, and several suicide bombers in crowded markets. It's just a matter of googling these things.

Are the security precautions of the west so ineffective?

The Paris shooters were fully-documented foreign nationals. They did not use fake psuedonyms or sneak into France in the dark of night. In short, they were 'homegrown' terrorists. They were more like Timothy McVeigh, than "ISIS terror cells".

Is all of Israel surrounded by triple rows of razor wire fences and machine gun posts every 50 yards?

Yes.

Is every plane that flies over Israel escorted by F16s?

Yes. Also Israel is a small area , and so its easy to police it in this manner.

Why does Israel seem barely troubled by some occasional rockets from Gaza or WB but nothing ever on the scale of Paris, London or New York?

Rockets are more deadly than you give them credit. Also, Israel has been through several wars in recent decades. Since you are comparing and contrasting, you should know that Bin Laden's number 1 enemy was not the USA, it was the so-called "House of Saud", a k a The Saudi Royal Family. The attacks on Saudi princes around the time of 9/11 were equally if not more ferocious than what happened in New York City. Again, google to confirm for yourself.

How can it be that Muslim fighters with ties to the US who hate Israel sneak into PARIS and launch a series of attacks?

Again, your facts are just wrong here. The Nov13 Paris terrorists did NOT SNEAK IN. (see above)

Are they trying to cut off the flow of refugees leaving Syria so they control more people as these refugees will be demonized and mistrusted by the west?

No. What they are trying to do is force France and its allies into a giant world war. An apocalyptic battle between secular Westerners and Islamic arabs. How do we know this? Because they wrote it themselves. ISIS even used the word "mulhamal" to refer to this epic battle.

You are in the business of comparing the relative severity of terrorist attacks. Make sure that you also take note of the 2007 car bombings in northern Iraq. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Yazidi_communities_bombings

That killed over 500 and wounded 1500 more. The exact numbers are not known. That was far worse than what happened in Paris.

Nah, I'm gonna go with they want Israel for Israelites. They don't want foreigners. Seems to work too, cause they don't have muslim extremists blowing them up.

Ok, while that is nice and all, what does that have to do with jews pushing multiculturalism while blocking it in their own country?

Because ISIS is funded by Israel and the US. I mean they take care of wounded isis soldiers so yeah.

Wow crazy, I deleted my comment 6 minutes ago but yours was posted 2 minutes ago. What a world.

I meant to edit it to say something like "Israel gets attacks almost daily".

Cause jews. They push multiculturalism on all western countries while having massive restrictions on immigration to their country.

well the truth is that Israel would spin any attack as being of Palestinian origin. A large fraction of the Israeli population is already calling for genocide against the Palestinians. Isis probably don't want to help wipe out their 'brothers' or whatever.

Partly because they have a serious wall and walls really do work.

And here we are in the US with talking heads saying building a wall is impossible and or pointless.

That was 70 years ago and it wasn't for religious reasons.

Don't be retarded.

A lot of people here have touched on it already, but a good documented example is Japan. In the past I have criticized Japanese culture for various reasons, but while it fragments internally, it is very stable as a whole.

http://chersonandmolschky.com/2015/04/13/islamic-terrorism-japan/

I'm sure that's why ISIS conveniently only goes through with attacks that benefit Israel.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/21/breaking-story-israeli-general-captured-in-iraq-confesses-to-israel-isis-coalition/

This is why.

Can you not read, you absolute imbecile?

I said they check bags. Then you asked:

So what if you get inspected. This just means you blow up the inspectors.

I answered: they do.

I'm guessing it's in part because of Israel's constant state of heightened security (they are 'hardened' against attacks). Also, everyone knows they are just itching to enact genocide against the Palestinians and not even Isis are stupid enough to give them any excuse to do so.

And this does happen in Israel. The media just only report when the oh-so-innocent Muslims get payback.

my sisters name is Jordan, I feel weird about that statement. specifically the "Yeah Jordan is just sitting there like a ripe plum and once you occupy enough of Jordan" part.

Ask one of the armed Israeli soliders on every corner of every upscale jewish suburb in Israel

Have you been to Israel? Yeah, I thought not.

It's just not possible, really. Israel screens who comes in, checks people's bags outside malls and everywhere people gather, there are checkpoints on the roads.

Also, Israel has zero PC bullshit. If you're a white visitor, you're fine. Arab-looking, you'll be inspected.

whoa comment secrion here makes me think israel is trying to fool the whole world, and it's succeeding!

Someone should just Tweet ISIS and ask them... I mean ISIS has many social media accounts we may as well utilize them. You know start the Conversation.

why bite the hand that feeds you?

Isreal is armed and already on the defensive to prevent attacks.

Because the Jewish state is behind this carnage.

In general, yes they are ineffective. Israel is not afraid to racially profile someone because it's politically incorrect. They have a ridiculous level of security but as they are surrounded by their enemies and those they oppress it is justified.

You can always tell who hired a mercenary by looking at who they won't attack.

Palestinians launch a bottle rocket into the middle of a field and Israel retaliates by killing 50-100 civilians.

You won't hear about a single ISIS rocket hitting Israel.

I think the main value of these attacks for ISIS is the shock value/hysteria that gets created. Israel is basically filled with ex-commandos and warmongering nationalist types. They wouldn't get their panties in a bunch over an attack like the US/France/UK does, so ISIS probably views Israel as a target that isn't quite worth their time or resources.

Guys, let's call a spade a spade. Israel is not getting attacked because Israel is secretly behind the attacks. To not even consider this as a possibility is just a flagrantly obvious red flag that something is not adding up. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills over here.

I think you misunderstand their organization and how their outside cells are working. Cells in foreign countries are rather independant from the main branch of ISIS and can attack without having any prior contact with the leaders. So there can be an attack on Ottawa with the leaders in Syria unaware of the attack at first. It's more discreet and there are less ways to find the communication. (The Canadian police busted a cell last week and explained that this is how they operate)

The goals of the cells are also different from the main goal of ISIS. There are very large muslim population in western countries and they have a different task. They need to recruit them secretly without having much contact with them. So if cells create an atmosphere that is abusive towards muslims, or if they make the countries retaliate against civilians in Syria and Iraq, you can get new recruits in those western countries. Thus creating more cells and increasing terrorism.

A group like ISIS can't win or compete against nations in straight up war unless the country is very destabilized. So that's what they are going for.

There are also no terror attacks in Ireland or in New Zealand or in Switzerland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_barrier

5 crossing points. Lots of guards and vehicles. It may not be so easy.

Almost everyone in the country is military or former military. That might be a factor..

What part of "non random searches" didn't you hear?

Intelligence, lots and lots of intelligence. Israel has spies everywhere.

Its really not though. For the first part. A country like the United States or Japan or Germany won't kill themselves in singular bombing events or similar in hopes of this great afterlife or wonderful look from their god. Thats what separates ISIS into a dangerous group despite being relatively small. They're not planning some 300 year culture creep to spread Islam because 1. They know no one wants to convert to that type of Islam and 2. Because it isn't written as being something of "honor" or praise in the eyes of their religion to sit back and pull political and cultural strings.

Israel already is full force pissed at ISIS. They largely have already first hand seen what they can do. ISIS has a lot of their goals complete there. So they move onto Europe. Its not even to say the entire organization is looking onto Europe, but there is simply a shift in attention to there as opportunities become available.

So I really don't want to be a douche. But I think its easy to get caught up in subverses like /v/Conspiracy and start making connections that really just don't exist. I really do recommend that you could flip through a Quaran sometime. Its something I think most people should do before giving their two-cents about the religion and it helps you formulate an understanding on both Muslims like ISIS and Muslims like Raheed who owns the gas station 5 minutes away.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/israel/fence4.jpg

Yes basically. To exert a "Muslim presence". Because largely they can get away with it. Everyone who isn't ISIS is at war with ISIS. They're doing what they want. They don't give a shit if they die or everyone hates them because they figure any person they can convert or kill, it will be for the good of their afterlife or put them in the "Right" view of god. Its their driving motivation for what would make them a "Good" person. They don't give a shit if they probably don't have the firepower to take over Europe or the rest of the world, it doesn't matter. They're doing exactly what they want to by "Taking down as many as they can with them" because thats literally the holiest thing you can do to them that results in the best afterlife. If you can send a message of Islams power to non-Muslims then its even better. And thats exactly what they're doing.

So you can say its all Jews making money like you're some enlightened counter culture secret agent but its based in less than half the logic than the "popular" view is.

So no its not a pair of clown shoes. It just sounds like you don't know anything about the organization or world religion lol.

their too busy doing their imperial occupation thing, there not the ones being terrorized and the effect is common and distibuted enough to not be newsworthy.

I'm looking for some information and ideas to help call attention to Israel's apparent immunity to these attacks. Am I wrong in believing that Israel is the enemy #1 of Muslim extremists at least according to the main narrative used to explain terrorists?

In my opinion, it's hard to know the right questions to ask at first, but any question gets some info. I'd say that Israel isn't "immune" -- they just weren't involved this time. A bombed pizza parlor in Eilat might not make American news. It happens too frequently. The Paris attack was spectacular and would make news anywhere. Is Israel the #1 enemy? No. It was for Palestinians because they had a legitimate grievance. But not all "Muslims" are the same. The perspective that ISIS is managed by the West is not ignorant, but it might not be relevant. It seems to me that "ISIS" wants international visibility. I think that change in perspective also answers your second question. ISIS isn't a Palestinian in a Jordanian camp who wants his olive grove back. That battle is (somewhat) closed.

Are the security precautions of the west so ineffective? Is all of Israel surrounded by triple rows of razor wire fences and machine gun posts every 50 yards? Is every plane that flies over Israel escorted by F16s?

Well, the Paris attackers didn't actually make it into Stade de France, so it seems that there was some effectiveness. Is Israel a militarized police state? Hell, yeah. Israel doesn't have quite the same level of "personal freedom" as France. Soldiers have no problem rifling through your bag (and taking it) at a cafe. That doesn't fly in France -- and France is more strict than the US.

Is it so impossible to hit Israel with SUICIDE attacks that the west becomes the target? Why does Israel seem barely troubled by some occasional rockets from Gaza or WB but nothing ever on the scale of Paris, London or New York?

No, it's not impossible but it doesn't forward the agenda. Rocket attacks are somewhat more effective, but it seems Palestinians often get shoddy, aging equipment. (There's a conspiracy right there. Some would argue that those are set-up sales to encourage Israeli militarism while minimizing the damage.)

Or is it that the west is hated more than the Israelis perhaps? Do the Muslims and Jews sit down, split a bowl of hummus and laugh about their hate for the Christians?

When they want to get along they do. This is human nature.

When you add into this the various facts regarding US involvement with groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, and they are facts, REAL FACTS, is it even remotely possible to believe this narrative?

Not really. But when you're constructing your own narrative, be on guard against relying on simple stories -- good guys v. bad guys, "muslims", "the jews", "the west". Past events have shown that a lot of "practical" terrorists are kind of losers: poor, few resources, meaningless, unappreciated. They're often encouraged, advised, funded by... who? We don't ask that so much. The news narrative induces a panic about "what can we do?". Asking "why did this happen?" is often tantamount to treason. (They hate us cuz freedums, moran.) But this is the really important question -- who is encouraging these people? From what I've seen, the answers aren't good: the occasional Wahabist mosque, sure, but... who is the CIA recruiting? Who's "helped out" by Muslim charities with a good face in the West? What about the intel agencies of the home countries? Often we never know -- and few media sources spend much time asking. Can you paint a picture of the life of a handful of "terrorists"? Were their parents still alive? How did their families feel? We know Ted Kaszczynski had a brother, went to Harvard, etc. Can you name five terrorists? Let's see... Mohammad Attah... yeah, I got nothin'. That's something we should know, but we stop asking when we hear "muslim" and see a foreign face.

How can it be that Muslim fighters with ties to the US who hate Israel sneak into PARIS and launch a series of attacks? Are they trying to cut off the flow of refugees leaving Syria so they control more people as these refugees will be demonized and mistrusted by the west?

I dunno. I'm not certain we know who these guys are, yet. I've heard they were French citizens, relocated to Belgium. That runs against the Syria angle, but it doesn't shut it down. I'd be lying if I told you I knew. I get the sense this story is still being massaged. The press has been slow to jump on the "Syrian passport" angle, so I suspect their information is somewhat conflicted, as if several factions are still trying to capitalize on this.

Sorry I don't have a lot of links and data. I haven't seen much I trust on this yet.

This one really is because of the jews

To be fair, they aren't a bunch of PC pussies and have no problem with racial or religious profiling.

I'm not discounting anything you said. I've always found it suspicious that Daesh hasn't attacked Israel at all. Or Jordan really.

Israel is already very polarized on middle eastern issues. Hell, even the US is just so strongly at war already that it would make little sense to provoke the country more. Europe has been fairly "neutral" while remaining a very Western culture which is something radical Islams want to change.

No conspiracy here. Just common sense.

Well when all you want is to make people hate you and retaliate to start a holy war, you might want to focus your efforts on people who aren't already committed to fighting muslims in some way cough Israel cough .