Dysnomia

Not all refugees are Muslim.

You're possibly a fat American girl.

The mor I write, the less information is contained by this message.

Gizurr

If only there were a solution.... http://i.imgur.com/GAziUoF.jpg

CarlosShyamalan

What an arrogant piece of written language this is. If youre so smart you should know better than to write like this.

Im not cherrypicking, Im using the original definitions of left and right as they originated from the first german parliamentary convention, where to the left sat the progressive and liberal parties and to the right, the conservative and republican ones.

The twisted system that is happening in the US, where fascists and racists can call themselves liberal, and libertarians are treated as part of the right, does not matter enough to me to align my definitions with it.

A quick google search for left- and rightism tells you that the one strives social equality, while the other claims that inequality is inevitable. Your or my personal opinions have no effect whatsoever on the definition of left and right.

CarlosShyamalan

That comment is 100% factually wrong, sorry. You are confusing communism (a left wing idea) witv something called Juche (a statsist and right wing ideology).

The definition of communism is "a classless society" which makes a government impossible. Communism is a fantasy and not currently achievable, unless we get to a post scarcity society, or somehow are able to turn people into altruists over night.

Juche (most notably in north korea) is actual statism and very close to fascism. Tons of government control, oppression of civil rights, idolization of leaders, etc.

Even lenins idea of "the dictatorship of the proletariat" is not authoritarianism. The original idea was to establish a "council republic" (Räte-Republik in german) which to my knowledge was only ever implemented in the few months that the bavarian socialist soviet republic existed, before it fell to the weihmar republic. The idea is that there are many levels of councils that decide on things from local problems to national decisions, "from the bottom to the top". It did not end up being practical in reality, even though it was not the direct reason that bavaria fell to prussia again. It was too slow of a system and too unwieldy, to be able to efficiently govern a nation.

In any case communism cannot possibly be statism. This is what fascist governments like the ussr, china and prk want you to think to make people support them.

CarlosShyamalan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

Left-wing politics are political positions or activities that accept or support social equality.

darkmuffin

Almost all US news these days is designed to keep Americans scared and whipped up into a panic so they can continue to justify increased surveillance, the expansion of private, for profit prisons and the absurd level of military spending. Also, keeping us scared, angry and divided means we'll never unite long enough to figure out what they're doing and revolt, because we're too busy hating each other when the elites controlling our government are the real enemy.

Islam is simply capitalizing on it, and the elites don't care because at the end of the day it doesn't matter what you believe as long as they're making money.

CarlosShyamalan

Why would the elite want an islamic invasion? If anyhing both the refugee crisis and SJWs are a distraction from TPP and TTIP and other control policies.

Belial

Notice this all stared to pop-off once people realized the police were being militarized?

farmer-

Elite back radical left

Radical left support migrants

Migrants become dependent on left

Left dependent on their backers

Diverse nation all controlled by elite

CarlosShyamalan

And why on earth would the elite back the left? Why would megacorps support Marxists? Why would the secret services support libertarians? Why would a billionaire support a group of people that have the goal of making the world more fair?

What you mean when you say left is not the left. Its the right (and the far one at that) disguising itself as the left, in order to trick ordinary people into supporting them. What BLM and SJWs want is nothing different compared to what conservatives and the elites want: surveilance, limiting free speech and apartheid.

farmer-

Left wants big government

Big government means more regulation and government power

The elites fund left politicians and get them into office

The left politicians answer to their donors

The elites are now controlling more areas of our society than they would a conservative, small government

CarlosShyamalan

The left stands for an equal and fair system. Nothing more nothing less.

The differences come from the various groups within the left. Where Leninists and Trotzkyists advocate a "dictatorship of the proletariat" to achieve that goal, you have Anarchists who want to undermine the power of the state, and Libertarians who want to directly take away the governments power.

In any case all leftists are opposed to power being distributed across a few wealthy individuals, which really is the core difference to the conservatives.

farmer-

That isn't really a difference. You're thinking of neocons. Conservatives just want small government so we can be free from regulation. Neocons conversely support high taxation and big government, which is where the power being spread between wealthy individuals becomes problematic

RedLeader

It's all carefully timed to completely fuck people all over the world out of their freedoms. Wake up. This is war, people.

zen_music

I agree. "Welcome to the permanent, ongoing Hunger Games. May The Odds Be Ever In Your Favor..."

CarlosShyamalan

Yeah except the war isnt white vs black, or the west vs Islam. Its oligarchs against what remains of our rights and everything else is a distracion.

RedLeader

Agreed. This is a war of ideas, not peoples.

Gracchi

Nah, the "invasion" is part of the fracturing as well. All of these things will slow/stop the populace's movement toward the left. This favors most business interests.

CarlosShyamalan

Agreed. Left vs right might be the most accurate description of what is happening, with the right being both the conservatives and nationalists with their surveilance and control, but also the BLM and SJW front, which has basically the same goals.

On the other side the left (the actual one) consists of liberals and libertarians trying to defy control through the oligarchs, who abuse all the people they can agitate for some cause or another.

farmer-

... So all conservatives are bad and only some liberals ("the actual one") are good. Okay...

CarlosShyamalan

If by bad you mean using fearmongering strategies to achieve their goal of controling as much of the people as possible, then yes: conservatives like Clinton, Bush, Trump and Rubio as well as all the people of the likes of George Soros are the bad guys.

The left believes in equal rights and fair treatment. Depending on who you ask as part of the left you will get varying aswers, but I can guarantee that you wont hear anyone say that we need more wars or more surveilance. If they call themselves left and give an answer akin to those, they have just brandmarked themselves as right, no matter what they say.

farmer-

The left and right often believe in the same things. It's what they emphasize that differs. The far left, however, wants to take away freedoms. Doesn't sound equal and fair to me

CarlosShyamalan

Any leftist who wants to see rights taken away is not one, no matter if he calls himself left.

The true left is for equality and against state fascism including surveilance and no freedom of speach. What you see in the news about the so called "left" is just the right in disguise. The right being the conservatives, not libertarians, who in my view are nothing different to the actual left albeit with different ways to achieve the same goal of equal and fair chances.

farmer-

You're mistaking "the right" for neocons. Look it up and break free of the indoctrination

CarlosShyamalan

What is the right if not conservatives? Libertarians? In my view these are no different from the actual left in that they have the same goal of creating a fair and equal athmosphere, only that the way to achieve that goal is different to other leftist groups.

farmer-

Neoconservatives are not, by nature "conservatives". They want big government along with socially conservative values. However, that opens shit up for corruption, like with the Koch brothers. True conservatives are both fiscally and socially conservative, wanting small, teensie, tiny government so that we can live our lives truly free from all regulation and we don't have to give up tax money so the government can fund things we don't agree with. You've been brainwashed thinking George bush is an example of a true conservative. News flash: he isn't

Dysnomia

Nope.

Am true conservative.

Want ZERO governments. Just like good old days of directly democratic tribal confederalism.

Career politicians are too progressive for me. What's next? Robot politicians?

CarlosShyamalan

OK this might be where the definition of conservative is vastly different on different sides of the pond, but here in Europe the conservatives definitely dont want the government to have less power. They are the ones being funded by big companies and they are the ones going to war. They are the ones who want more police, more security and less freedom of speech. The left in its entirity opposes this and is against taxes, wars, big corporations and corruption.

By definition "conservative" (from latin "conservare" - to maintain, to keep) means putting safety in front of liberty. Since almost all the political terms were born in Europe I think its smarter to go by our definitions.

That means everyone who is in favor of wars, taxes (on ordinary people), surveilance and security is conservative. This would then definitely also include George W. Bush.

The left on the other hand are all who call themselves pacifist, liberal (or libertarian), social(ist) and antifascist.

CarlosShyamalan

I see. That means its only a matter of diferent definitions of the word conservative. Im happy so see that we have the same goals in mind, even if I call them left and you call them conservative.