Empire_of_the_mind

go read that book again

pitenius

McLuhan? It's a shitty book. I lost any credence when he got to hot/cold media. The popularity of the maxim has stuck with me.

Consider, though, that you are doing what I had suggested we ought not to do: you've accepted McLuhan as an authority because of his preexistence in the medium. To me, it's less important if someone agrees or disagrees with McLuhan than what they chose to do with that point of departure.

Empire_of_the_mind

i don't think he's an authority, i just think you didn't understand what you read. keep at it, bruh.

pitenius

There's more than one reading of a text. I'm not so radical to say that they're all equally valid but unless you present what your reading is, it's pretty hard to have a conversation.

Empire_of_the_mind

am i right that you're younger than say 30?

the medium is the message maxim is actually harder to understand in the current environment if you grew up in a world where the internet and similar networked technology existed.

what he's really driving at is that the manner through which you choose to convey your message reveals some critical aspects of what it is that you wish to express. the insight is that this typically reveals as much or more than the content of the message.

so, for example, you have an idea you want to share with people. how do you deliver that? you can walk up to them in person, or in a crowd and speak it aloud. You can write it down with a pen and paper, or you can print it like a newspaper and distribute it. You can record it an play it over the radio, or you can film it and show it to people. McLuhan is observing that this choice suggests quite a bit about what you are seeking to communicate. By considering why each of these approaches might be best for your hypothetical message, and why they may not be, you can actually identify many things about what your message is intended to mean.

adapted for the internet age, consider something like a buzzfeed listical. why did they choose to display this information (the message) in this format? THAT choice is actually as important as the content according to McLuhan. I suspect he's right - the listical format is actually more important than most listicals. it also immediately conveys a number of things about the content, foremost that it is of a trivial, shallow, and transient nature. If it was a thoughtful, thorough, and ageless message it would likely be presented in book format.

Consider Thomas Piketty's "Capital in the 21st Century" now. Of course it's a book. Would it be change by being a blog? A listicle? A podcast? A youtube video? A hollywood film? Of course it would.

Boiled down, he's really hitting at a very base and subconscious way in which information is interpreted in a mass society. His lessons are about manipulation of the public through media, and they've been absorbed entirely and adopted so completely that it's part of the architecture of our culture at this point.

pitenius

A bit of a warning: it's somewhat late here, and I've been drinking.

I see what you're saying in paragraph 2. I seem to recall that McLuhan goes a bit beyond this, but... no Google preview available. I'm afraid I can't get too specific. Likewise, the semiotic criticisms are kind of resurfacing, but I don't have a firm handle on them.

I think in the third paragraph, we might start to reconverge? I'm trying to deduce the "message" of a news aggregator. My suspicion is that the message is "people should shill for an authority". By paragraph 4, we seem to be back in alignment, but (forgive me if I'm butchering McLuhan again) just as it doesn't matter what is shown on television, the role of the news aggregator in establishing... the subservience(?) of the community is what is important.

I'm not certain how much we disagree? Maybe I started of down a wrong path and came around? It's been since 20XX since I read McLuhan, and I only read that because of a lengthy graffiti fight in a stairwell.

Empire_of_the_mind

i don't think a user-generated aggregation site has a singular medium. if it were a cultivated site, like Digg became, that would be. In this case, it's really the same as any other "social media." People want to share. In the case of a voat/reddit, they want to share with people they don't know. They want to reach a wider audience than their locally available one. This suggests people trying to connect and discuss things that are not massively popular. The key is that the specific content will change constantly within that context. There is nothing about say Voat that requires the submitted content to be intelligent, nerdy, computer-based, etc. The medium has a bias toward niche interests and controversial topics, little else. Submitting/discussing here suggests an interest in reaching either niche groups or the extraordinarily open-minded. I think that's exactly what you'll find at voat if you look around.