twentyfive

for anyone who think this is nuts, there is a great hour and half documentary on it that can be found on yt and other video sites. there really no question in my mind that it was a giant social experiment.

sp00kygh0st

Do you guys think Donald Trump would expose this as a hoax if he got into office? What would happen if he did?

klongtoey

Trump would unfortunately be forced to do what he was told.

Bill Hicks:

I have this feeling that whoever is elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what you promise on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scum-fucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down … and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before … that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president, "Any questions?" "Er, just what my agenda is." "First we bomb Baghdad." "You got it …"

gugulo

That ship's crazy scary. Bill was a genius

twentyfive

he wasnt afraid to bring up 911 stuff as he did in the debate.

blackguard19

We gotta get him in office and find out.... I don't think be would say anything about Sandy Hoax but there's still a wall to build..

Sameblamegame

Instead of wasting time keeping peole out we need to turn them to our side. These are people who have seen the b/s our government will do and say to get what they want. If anything, these people have more potential to be patriots than the average American. Simply because they cannot be lied to about the violence in the east. They were there, they saw it and fled here. It'd be silly not to see them as a resource. Tons of perspectives that haven't been ruined by American distractions. Some will surely be violent asses. But you can say that about any large group of people. There's good to be taken with these refugees. Gotta make lemonade out of this. Take the momentum of your aggressor and use it against him. Why bother blocking when you can counter?

blackguard19

No, that's stupid. There's literally no good that can come from bringing millions of third world illiterate Sharia-loving sand niggers into America. Meanwhile, it is a guarantee that plenty of bad will come of it.

Empire_of_the_mind

That's a great question. Trump has thus far brought up several "banned ideas" in the course of the campaign that suggest he may well do so. He's not part of the power structure and doesn't wish to be. This is what makes him so dangerous to them, and why he has to run a bombastic campaign to overwhelm their ability to resist.

SaneGoatiSwear

some of the oligarchy are billionaires; not all of the oligarchy are billionaires. trump is not part of the oligarchy, this much seems to be likely, however, trump is 1. an elite, and 2. a candidate for puppet presidency, which means either a. he is part of the oligarchy or b. the oligarchy has him under control.

he is no danger to the establishment, he's got 10 billion reasons not to be.

the percent of lies on the campaign trail of winners is now 100%. trump can 100% lie to get elected, just like obama. i've suggested and i continue to suggest trump will win and do none of what he says on the trail, but instead will continue what's already being done out of that office.

the very idea that he's not part of the power structure nor wants to be is silly. he's running for president. or are you suggesting his bid for the office is disingenuous?

RedditIsPropaganda23

I'm not sure why the public trusts Trump so much. He has no history of working FOR the people.

Empire_of_the_mind

I don't think you have a clear view of what "the power structure" is or who the ruling parties are.

SaneGoatiSwear

equally.

cumshartingfaggot

These are interesting questions.

I like Donald trump and will vote for him at every opportunity that presents itself.

I am of the mind that he would intervene in things like this if he were president.

This is why trump will likely be prevented from being president.

entropyosaurus

Why do you think Trump would stop this?

Sameblamegame

Presidents have been powerless and obviously puppets for a long time now. If trump makes it, do you think that will change?

cumshartingfaggot

They are powerless and puppets now for a reason. JFK was the really the last president who bucked the puppetry. You see what happened to him.

Some would argue Reagan tried to be less puppetry, and it nearly cost him his life.

I think trum hasn't gotten that message yet.

Sameblamegame

I don't like trump as president. But I can respect his strategy. It took a lot of foresight and planning. Which is refreshing, and shows his gumption. In reality, I like none of the candidates. Some of the republican candidates are acceptable, but they weren't chosen to be the front runners, so I think they'll lose out regardless.

It's hard to take presidential discussions seriously when the governing bodies that gives them office defaulted long ago. Back when the people should have stopped and reset our systems of government, but it seems we have diverged too far now to make such a reset possible. Depressing man.

Ulluses

It's not even a conspiracy, there's more than enough evidence it was a fabrication. The evidence was compiled not too soon after the event as details and entire sections on the plot were found to be hidden or just plain non-existent. This is the reason bills are coming in to control the internet, it makes it much harder to pull off these kinds of things when a few hundred people can casually collaborate and pick apart a situation like this in a matter of hours, and completely prove it's falsehood within a few weeks.

Atarian

It would be harder to fake than to engineer. One of the aspects I keep stumbling over is that this would have been much easier to achieve if the - for lack of better word - "shadow government" had just committed a real mass murder and dumped the corpse of a dead autist in front of the school.

They're amoral enough to be capable of it, and then be able to go for drive-thru after.

These are the type of people who suggested sinking one of their own ships, killing hundreds if not thousands of their own sailors, and then blaming it on Castro.

gugulo

Well... They did collapse 3 wtc towers, I guess a few children is OK for certain mercenaries, if the price is right

William_Wallace

Why isn't the knowledge that it was a hoax not common knowledge, in your opinion?

Empire_of_the_mind

Most people have simply not looked into it at all. The fact is that an incident involving the murder of dozens of small kids is just too horrifying for most people to want to think about. That, of course, is why this particular storyline was used.

Something has to make people look into it and question. Once they do that they'll find that there's pretty much zero evidence that it actually occurred. This is remarkable!

sp00kygh0st

Because the media is great at making out conspiracy theorists as crazy assholes who are spitting on the graves of children. People are still too afraid to speak their mind on issues.

Here is also the link to the Sandy Hook book that debunks the entire shooting https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/nobodydiedatsandyhook.pdf

William_Wallace

Not saying it wasn't a hoax, and I tend to believe that it was, especially considering the law change allowing govt propaganda to be passed off as news, but the whole media is in on it? No journalist wants to make a name for themselves by blowing it up? Seems crazy

gugulo

You know what they do to those people right? One word: Snowden

iamrage

No journalist wants to make a name for themselves by blowing it up?

I whole heartedly would want this to happen, but the issue is it would fall on deaf ears because he would be dismissed as some conspiracy nutter. Mass media can destroy anyones credibility as well, so not only are you dismissed, but anything you reported on from that point forward would never see the light of day.

SaneGoatiSwear

the idea isn't to make an airtight conspiracy. the idea is to make the truth implausible to the audience .

edit: clarification of "it"