Maki_Man

If you set aside politics and ideology, the guy is just a buffoon and should not be taken as a serious role model or contender at all. How can people even think he is anti-establishment when he is a billionaire and has ties with the Jews? Why would he care for any of us? He is just there for entertainment. Why would he even be fit for being president? He's a clown FFS.

Sigh, I think it's futile to follow US politics until the revolution starts.

unixfreak

He is a another wolf in sheep's clothing. Infowars has taken a turn for right-wing supremacy, divide and conquer tactics etc, and it's no surprise Alex Jones would support him. The guy is a hypocrite, who spent so many years exposing 9/11 as an inside job, now Alex finds "Trump is right" about everything including the claims of "cheering pre-planned muslim parties on rooftops" after the planes hit the WTC.

The infowars crowd tends to be aligned with the "white genocide" hyperbole, and judging Trumps speeches about anti-muslim rhetoric, i can see why they are in support of him.

I just think he's a disgusting piece of work. A rich guy in a suit who wants to become richer, whilst dividing society and humans alike. What's new.

RedditIsPropaganda23

you had me until you wanted to 'regulate morality'. The US is NOT built on any religion [source: treaty of tripoli].

you are witnessing the result of what happens when a society abandons its religion for degeneracy

Let's get rid of welfare by giving people a LIVING WAGE. Will people people sit on their ass and collect $4/hour... or will they work for $15/hour? Right now people don't have a financial incentive to add $1-3/hour to their income by working fulltime vs not working at all. Fix the system.

ElspethTirel

The numbers Slate has are copied from Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2015/06/16/trump-exaggerating-his-net-worth-by-100-in-presidential-bid/

They even list his assets and his claimed amounts vs the real amounts.

Impuredeath

If I think of america, donald trump seems to represent it perfectly. Might not be the best person, but he seems to represent that country.

Obrez

I think tricking people to liking him is too risky to reasonably attempt.

Obrez

Every posible scenario is victory even if he loses fair and square to Hilary Clinton (somehow) we'll have an old fashioned revolt.

If the RNC chrats and Hilary wins see above otherwise third party president.

He's playing nice but if your paying attention he understands zioism and isn't for it.

I could go on all day even if he suxks he'd be easy to impeach.

If you're a lefty you understand his incentives will brinf back the means of production; juat in time for robots and basic income.

Trump will allow america to make herself great again.

Plus fuck both parties and fuck the media.

can_of_wurms

I don't think of Donald Trump.

He's trying his best, using his know how as a businessman and as a deal maker to build a platform that he knows will get him what he wants. But he has had opinions in the past which he now opposes. To be honest, I haven't taken the time to look back on all his interviews over the past decade, but with confidence I can say that his popularity today is due to his rapport building expertise and what he knows the Republican base wants to hear, for the most part.

AllenIll

There is tremendous financial incentive on the part of the mainstream media establishment in promoting Trump's candidacy in ways that upset the ruling class at the RNC and their donor network. The converse can be said of Sanders and the DNC as well. The more upset and frightened the donor class is—the more likely they are to contribute vast sums of money, which will be spent running political television ads during the primary season. The money spent on these ad buys will flow directly into the coffers of the many mainstream media outlets. Which should work out nicely for Trump's former recent employer (NBC) and the executive peer group at the major media conglomerates. Once the real campaign money starts to be spent, it's likely the "news" coverage will reflect the biggest ad buys in subtle and overt ways.

RedditIsPropaganda23

the good 'ol USA has been pretty damn shitty as a whole and to it's people this last generation. The red, white, and blue is no longer something to be proud of. There is only crony capitalism and greed- Trump is a symbol of success borne of this. The system is rigged, the establishment corrupt, and the empire crumbling.

ElspethTirel

Plans don't mean anything. You can say you will do anything, but that doesn't mean you will or are obligated to. How many things did Obama promise you that never came true? Here's a list:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/

TimberWolfAlpha

I don't trust him.

But I don't think it matters what I think. So long as they can hack voting machines easier than I can order chinese food, the election is a joke, and whoever has the best ewar capabilities will take the oval office.

tanukihat

I think he has a lot of hard, unpopular opinions and I respect him for bouncing criticism off his chest like a steel wall. I think after the Obama-led hugbox of the past 8 years we need somebody like that.

I think some of his opinions are unfortunate, like his stance on brown people, but that might be brainwashing.

I think he's got more of a spine than Sanders or Clinton.

I'm voting for him.

HitlerIsBlack

The degree and effort that the MSM puts into discrediting Trump makes me believe that he is legit. I think he want's his legacy to be the man who Made America Great Again, he's obviously not in it for money and he's not in it to represent the establishment. Like how wealthy Romans would build stadiums and bathhouses so people would revere them long after they were dead. Trump and Sanders and Paul(who has no chance) are the only candidates that don't represent the establishment, and I would choose Trump because he at least Loves America unlike Bernie who wants to rule America like a SJW Dictator

RedditIsPropaganda23

MSM KNOWS that there is no bad publicity, yet they give Trump unlimited coverage and easy "zingers" to correct the media on. They are lobbing him softballs.

emtpayislow

I have been thinking this for several weeks. Wow, just wow, if it were true. 67% sure its not.

Rosenkavalier

Yeah, you are probably right. Trump's money interest, as well as his circles of influences' money interest, regardless of how much of his campaign is self-financed, will work in tandem or actually as the agenda of most people with large economic and political influence currently. The problem is, that looking to a spectacle to change any objective conditions is misguided anyways. The fact that Spectacle 2016 has supplanted a majority of political discussion, as well as entrenched the bogus legitimacy of US elections goes to show how long we as average people have to go to actually gaining freedom.

whynotanon1

Scott Adam's the Dilbert creator does a great deconstruction of Trump and how he manipulates people and the media so easily. He refers to it as media "judo" or something.

That talk you linked is funny because at 55 minutes Trump says he wants to repeal Dodd-Frank. An act that made life harder for bankers. Hillary's biggest donors are banks, and her stance is the same to repeal Dodd-Frank, the Democratic support bill. Many Republicans share this same view.

whynotanon1

I was seduced by him at first but I've come to realize he represents the establishment just as much as the others. What policy does he have that is wildly different? The wall? He wants more government, bigger government just like the rest of politicians.

In his speeches he declares what he will do and it sounds more like a king and not so much following the will and consent of the people. He is a step towards authoritarianism that American's oddly seem to be craving. The left wants to repeal the 1st amendment and be told how to live every aspect of their life, the right wants to continue insane defense spending and are having a contest to see who can glass over the middle east and felate Israel the best.

The two things I like about Trump is his move toward lower taxes, but this must go hand in hand with reduced spending else our credit rating will plummet, the world will lose faith in the dollar and the exported inflation will come home to roost. Also his move to improve relations with Russia and unify again Islamic extremists is a step in the right direction.

Alex Jones only endorses him because his viewers are anti-establishment, and they believe wrongly that Trump is too.

RedditIsPropaganda23

Alex Jones is an agent of Israel who provides misdirection for the Zionists. Trump is a huge supporter of Israel and Netanyahu. You can do the math.

W3a53l

  1. Not a life time D.C.'er like everyone else.
  2. Made his millions by not "serving the public" unlike everyone else.
  3. He won't fuck things up any more or less then any other we've had in office...

Rosenkavalier

I think you make a good point- he has been embedded with the media oligarchy for many years. How would you explain the relentless attack on him now that he has entered the political realm though?

Le_Squish

I think Trump is a master troll but his endgame doesn't seem to be getting the presidency. He does crazy shit that seems to have the effect of making his rivals burn crazy money trying to fix the bad PR. He's systematically bankrupting them and their sponsers. It's a peculiar tactic to say the least.

oddmon

I actively try not to, but it's impossible due to the egregious amounts of air time he's given.

smokratez

Want to like him, yet disturbed by his ties to jews.

threesevens

I don't think they are going to let him get the nomination. If he is a threat and truly can't be controlled they will take him out one way or the other. If they want Hillary in the White House it can't be Trump that she runs against.

Kylan

He's very closed minded. I don't mind most of what he says, but if he has a view that needs to change to suit current happenings, I doubt anything would be able to change that view. Very in-flexible.
I suppose most politicians are this way, though. If he wins I expect that he'll be just as bad as any other candidate.

33degree

Love him and voting for him. Watch this new interview with him to understand why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXDSJCdfX8k&app=desktop

crop_circle_jerk

He's quite the buffoon but I agree with everything hes saying at least in this video.

CIAKGB56843

Jesus. I'm surprised George Stephanopoulos hair piece didn't fly back and stick to the wall during that interview he got blown the fuck out.

arrggg

That was pretty funny. Shut him down on his own show.

RedditIsPropaganda23

He's pretty dangerous because of the obscene amount of trust the public gives him. He could be another Obama establishment puppet, easily. He simply has no track record of serving the American people.

ElspethTirel

I think he's entertaining and I hope he pushes the bar further with what he says, but the simply fact that he hasn't brought up anything serious gives me zero reason to believe he isn't another pawn (he's not that rich, he's a business failure, his time in the sun has been long since over).

emtpayislow

Hes not that rich? WTF.

ElspethTirel

His net worth is only 4.5 billion and he claims it at twice that. His casinos are going bankrupt in Atlantic City as well.

Rosenkavalier

What could he say that would convince you that he is serious?

ElspethTirel

With relevance to current politics: 9/11 needs to be looked at again, Clinton needs to be punished for Benghazi, Bush and Cheney need to be brought up on war crimes for the war in the Middle East, Obama needs to be charged with war crimes for drone strikes on civilian targets. There's any number of non-conspiracy related information that Donald Trump could say and prove himself, but he doesn't. He regurgitates things that have been said before just like Edward Snowden.

Rosenkavalier

I agree with you. I think he speaks to what people want to hear in terms of the manipulated illusion that is presented to average citizens, and one layer deeper. But like you said, he ignores larger narratives and does not integrate information in ways that will truly upset the status quo of power.

ElspethTirel

Exactly, because, regardless of what people say...he is a corporate billionaire? Why does it matter if someone isn't lining his pockets (which they are, but this is the main point of his side right now)? He's the one who DID the lining! He's part of the system and always has been.

BRITTEACH

Hard to say. I feel a little bit like Voltaire on freedom of speech. I may not agree with everything he says, but I'll defend his right to say it.

CarlosShyamalan

Even his right to say that freedom of speech should be limited?

BRITTEACH

The man is shaking things up and making history in the process.