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badp4nd4

I think you understand my point just the same.

victorkruger

The bigger question is, does Congress have enough support for a veto override?

pitenius

;_; no...

luckyguy

This is really unexpected news. I would have never thought they would do it. I even had my doubts if a republican president were in office. And here it is out of no where. Even with the president vetoing it this is a Huge accomplishment. Our republican representatives have failed to make any effort to cut budget year after year and have twice given the democrats ridiculous spending authorizations while gaining nothing while the whole deck of cards were in republican hands. The fact that they accomplished anything is incredible. This is a big turnaround for them.

Pwning4Ever

I don't see any point in repealing Obamacare while Obama is the president, they could have defunded it and killed it that way.

Antiseed117

I was just bitching about this the other day. How they can force us to buy a product and if we refuse they still get money out of us for it.

sec

Because you let them...

Antiseed117

As if I had a choice. The keyword here is ”forced”

badp4nd4

You know, no one bitches about having to buy car insurance (by law), but health insurance? Pitchforks at dusk!

Everyone should have health insurance, no debate there. The problem arose from people being denied due to pre existing conditions and not getting the care they need. As such they were forced to go to the ER regularly, skyrocketing prices. Granted, a large amount of these people are the poor and illegal immigrants so you can see why most citizens think this is horseshit.

Alas, when the ER is filled with illegals and fat people, it is not possible to keep health care costs reasonable anymore. Everything costs you thousands of dollars, so you need health insurance.

Obamacare provides an avenue to this. However due to all the obstruction by the Republicans, its horribly fucked up. 500$ a month for even the crappy insurance.

Obamacare never had a chance to succeed, it was a great idea with great potential but like many great ideas it didn't have bi-partison support so by the time it was voted it on it was shell of itself with bits of flesh remaining but mostly torn or scorched off.

Tl;dr - Obamacare is a great program that got fucked up by those who think our president is a Nigerian Muslim who is plotting with the terrorists.

pitenius

You know, no one bitches about having to buy car insurance (by law), but health insurance? Pitchforks at dusk!

You're either a liar or too uninformed to post

Everyone should have health insurance, no debate there.

Right, then. Nice move on silencing debate, there. I'll just keep my opinions about a pre-Nixonian charity model to my own self, then. I'm starting to side with "liar", at this point.

The problem arose from people being denied due to pre existing conditions and not getting the care they need. As such they were forced to go to the ER regularly, skyrocketing prices.

I'd say the problem began with Nixon, but you've shut down that debate. Your story about the ER isn't really holding up to a public health perspective, either. The problem might center around gaps in the type of medical care provided and the need for "walk-in clinics" and non-urgent care.

Alas, when the ER is filled with illegals and fat people, it is not possible to keep health care costs reasonable anymore.

Hating on beaners and chilipiles doesn't make you anymore correct. It just makes you kind of a cunt.

Obamacare provides an avenue to this... Obamacare never had a chance to succeed, it was a great idea with great potential ...

If it was doomed to fail, why try? Why enforce it with the power of law? Forcing people to live in a Utopian fantasy world is inhumane.

Obamacare is a great program that got fucked up by those who think our president is a Nigerian Muslim who is plotting with the terrorists.

Shit howdy is that some strawman. No one said this except you. Your rhetorical skills are somewhere between "menstrual brown-out" and "dogshit".

Why are you even in this sub?

badp4nd4

So you're telling me you don't think people should have health insurance, how do you propose people pay for health care?

Posting a random youtube video proves no point about people debating about car insurance, I've never met anyone whose complained about having to pay for it, until you come along I suppose.

Sounds like you want to reform the whole health care business, based on you're Nixon comments I'm guessing you're old enough to need it. I can't argue that, a for profit model has always been shit, but that's not what we're talking about here.

"If it was doomed to fail, why try? Why enforce it with the power of law? Forcing people to live in a Utopian fantasy world is inhumane."

So, do nothing and hope it goes away or the problem fixes itself? The only one living in this utopian fantasy is you.

I am in this sub because differing opinions make for better comment threads.

pitenius

A more studied mind might ask how much healthcare is necessary and compare how other populations pay for it. Do you really want a proposal from me? There's no perfect proposal. I've lived under 5 different systems, some national, some not. There are benefits and problems to each. Your third sentence negates the first: you're aware of other models of public health, but you're not particularly interested in them.

I'm not sure you are capable of separating "insurance" from "payment", either. There's no insurance in a national system. Insurance is a profit driven business. Calling on the government to create and enforce a market is Mussolini-style fascism. Some people like that. I don't. That's an opinion. Stick with fascism if you like, but be honest with yourself about it.

Inserting "random" in a sentence does nothing to diffuse the merit of a claim. You claimed no one opposed car insurance. They did (and do). When confronted with counter-evidence, you essentially mustered up "huh..." When car insurance was mandated (on a state by state basis), it was hotly contested. Your ignorance is not evidence of absence of a debate.

Here's some shit to read about it The first bills didn't pass. Wikipedia suggests that the debate is alive and well in NH, VA and MS . If you are so ignorant about car insurance, why should I trust that your opinions about health insurance are any better?

As for the point about living a Utopian fantasy: a Utopian fantasy is a condition contrary to fact. If the sucky world about which I did nothing while I waited for the problem to fix itself actually existed, it could in no way be described as Utopian. Words have meanings. Pay attention to what you say. You should also pay attention to what you think and why you think it, but that's a lesson for a later date, I guess.

Since you took a shot at my age, here: I'm 40. My health is fine. Allow me to retort. Are you the product of public education? Are you what Common Core is churning out these days? Under 20, hoping "government" will fix your problems?

You're in this sub because you want to defend "Dear Leader". If you really want to defend him, be smarter. Hold yourself to a higher standard. When a personality attracts ignorant support, it becomes clear that the personality is little more than demagoguery.

badp4nd4

Can you in a few short sentences sum up what your point is because this wall of text is so all over the place I have no idea what you are actually trying to get at.

Sosacms

I'd be ok with it, if they product wasn't heavily overpriced garbage. Otherwise I'm fine with the idea that we all pool our resources to reduce costs for something we all need.