Devildetails

Aspirin is convenient so is weed. If you could smoke willow bark for the pain killing effects you'd see a lot more of it.

Simpleusername

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CANNABIS.

Endocannabinoid is not a cannabis extract.

This story is retarded bullshit.

dabork

Bottom line, there's NO stopping corporate interest in marijuana, so the best we can hope for is careful regulation and a boost in momentum for the legalization movement due to vested interest by people who have actual political influence. After that, it's going to be a crapshoot whether we coexist with the corporate environment or clash with it. Either way, as long as it's legal to order seeds and grow it in your house, I doubt we'll ever see a serious problem or any kind of collapse. There will always be people and companies in the US or otherwise that will cater to the needs of people seeking unpatented strains.

Thanks for the level-headed debate by the way, it's a nice change.

dabork

Considering most people will be growing indoors and filtering pollen from your intake in your grow room would be trivial (you should be filtering anyway), I doubt it will be anywhere near as bad as things like corn that are always grown in open air.

dabork

But, once again, as long as companies are allowed to distribute strains that do not contain patented genes, which there is already a massive supply of, it's not a likely scenario.

Now, there could be issues with things like cross contamination between fields just like we've seen with modified food crops, but that's not nearly on the scale you are suggesting.

dabork

That's a very hyperbolic prediction and would take an astronomical scale to accomplish. Regular weed isn't going to become extinct because a few companies patent their own strains. And corporate marijuana isn't going to take off until full-fledged legalization kicks in, in which case by and large people will be able to grow their own.

OnlyHalfGay

if it makes you braindead, isnt it just a powerfull alternative to alchohol? think i can get this stuff on ebay?

Pawn

gotta make a synthetic version cause even a stupid bloke knows how easy it is to grow weed.

aeoo

Does human greed know any limits?

Rellik88

Find one? John W. Huffman already made hundreds. Thats why we have spice.

Devildetails

Or you could just use pot. Tested for years with zero deaths.

frankenmine

But naturally-occurring plants can't be patented. So there will be a race to the bottom of pricing, as with any other commodity product. There is no profit in that product.

vacvape

Actually, you can't. That's the whole point in fact. They're not patenting "cannabinoids" to compete with a superior natural product. They're lobbying government for new restrictions against it, telling them "our clinically proven product is safe, and effect. It only had two cases of brain death out of ten who were treated for migraines. Doctors trust the standardized dosing and are comfortable prescribing it."

This is already going on and they are already lobbying government for new and protective regulations based on the pre existing fear mongering that's already been done on their behalf. You need look no further than The Arthritis Society to see it in motion, who are their one removed lobbyist wing masquerading as a charity stake holder.

Devildetails

California, Colorado, New York, etc. et al. would disagree.

vacvape

They're trying to disagree and they're losing.

Colorado vets were looking into a lawsuit the last I heard because they were told they couldn't use it for PTSD, because they have synthetic cannabinoids patented and clinically approved for that and were instead invited to pay the sin tax on the recreational garbage. Rights removed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-rejects-medical-marijuana-use-for-ptsd/

Meanwhile their medical "constitution" has been increasingly restricted by local governments. The consensus is that the billions they're raking in with restrictive and burdensome sin tax isn't enough for them as the medical use rights that they've had are a threat to their total monopolization and infinite tax projections. Pull your head out of your ass anytime soon.

Legislative Committee to PTSD Veterans: No cannabis treatment for you. https://archive.is/PlidW

Colorado medical marijuana rules are vulnerable to change

https://archive.is/W8E6Y

"The biggest fight will likely be how to squeeze more taxes out of medical pot."

"But lawmakers can’t raise medical pot taxes without going back to voters. Instead, they may try to winnow the medical patient pool and drive patients to the recreational market. One proposal would require more scrutiny of the doctors who recommend marijuana for the most common ailment on the registry — severe pain."

Colorado’s Medical Marijuana Industry Threatened by Potential Regulatory Move https://archive.is/3oDa8

"The specific new proposals, which require mandatory access to the Prescription Drug Monitoring Program that many doctors may not have as well as obligating them to fill out 14 different documents, could make it more difficult for patients with medical needs to obtain authorization and, thus, be subjected to not only much higher taxation but also limited access to higher dosages required for many conditions."

City Council approves marijuana plant limits at ‘collective’ grow operations https://archive.is/z8d6u

"Closed dangerous loophole"

"“The safety rationale is just laughable. That was invented by city council.” He said the real issue is money. “The city has been quite honest about the fact that it wants more tax revenue and it wants to eliminate anything it can’t tax.” He vowed to sue if the collective limit on the number of plants passed, which it did."

New York? They're not even on the list.

Devildetails

Fair enough, except new York, their clinics are just opening up. I know someone very close to one of the organizations in operation. But let the good fight win. Public perception has changed and that helps, it isn't all but it helps.

vacvape

Those clinics are a closed model already. It's one of the methods used to curtail medical rights in Canada and elsewhere as demonstrated in one of the links. Here they they exist outside of the regulated MMPR system as the clinics were a carry over scam from the previous MMAR system and an importation of the a two tier/double billing scam from places like Colorado where they thought it was cool to charge someone $400+ for a "prescription". Here they would even attempt charging graduated fees based on your level of income.

They amount to illegal store fronts just like dispensaries only they claim to not be doing any dispensing, or growing, but those were often lies too. They all play fast and loose with the rules that they seek exemption from themselves but would hold others to as it's all just rent seeking, exploitation and profiteering. The recent brand of clinics from Liftcannabis are a front for the Licensed Producers to work around not having any doctor buy in, and therefore not having any patients.

But they also don't have any patients because the products that they produce are of substandard quality and far overpriced. They bullshit about what stringent standards they have but none are in relation to producing a quality product and they still have it walking out of the front door and diverted.

So rather than actual genuine health care services, their bullshit doctors are just Skype scammers, "pot doctors", with no more knowledge than anyone with an internet connection can obtain in five minutes. They primarily serve as marketing agents for the Licensed Producer product line and some have been based around that entirely. "Free prescription but monthly follow ups to hear about the new strains". They get an LP kickback for the subscription and then bill them directly for the basic product info that they should have available for free in order to empower them as consumers to make educated decisions in the supposed "free market" system. It's all completely backwards and it's Health Canada that apparently won't allow them to market their strains in an effective manner but instead allow them complete freedom to market their corporate brands as irresponsibly as possible.

With the new clinics you now get a quick teleconference, previously over skype and now done via data mining software, "my virtual clinic", where they take no responsibility for your heatlh or privacy while doing their best to compromise both. This all has the effect of working to undermine medical user's rights to reasonable access and fortifying the restrictive and backwards protectionist notion of "doctors as gate keepers" which is the umbilical that they depend on. The gate they're keeping belongs to their pharmaceutical masters. Public perception is brain surgery with a butter knife. They've been driving the narrative with an array of useful idiots and UN imposed feminist subversion artists. They misappropriate all rational arguments and spin them towards their liking, undermining every threat to them. It's really very amusing as they're clearly all mental midgets and just all painting by numbers, completely content fucking everyone over.

Atarian

I dunno, in my youth I nearly gorged myself to death on Jaffa Cakes.

Devildetails

Righr, see, even eating disorders are more deadly.

3940186?

And if your deadly eating disorder involves not eating Jaffa Cakes, treat it with you know what.

Atarian

I only used to eat Jaffa cakes when stoned :)

Don't forget kids - just one marijuana cigarette can cause permanent brain damage, make you jump off a building or peel your own face off in the bath.

Just say no.

aeoo

But muh profeeets!!!

tehlolman

Or you could just use pot. Tested over THOUSANDS OF YEARS with zero deaths.

FTFY

Devildetails

Right that's what I said and meant suppose I could have said ages or millennia, but I was in a hurry to do nothing again.

dabork

This is why I don't understand the fear-mongering about corporate involvement in marijuana.
As long as it's legal to grow your own regular weed, who gives a shit? Let the corporate sheep buy their poison and the people who are in the know will keep using what's good. Not to mention, a synthetic version is almost certainly going to be more expensive.

Plus, not every corporation that gets involved is going to be evil. Once the doors are open for scientific advancement, we will see unbelievable strides in even basic level growing and genetics.

doginventer

I would expect "legalisation" to follow the licensing model pertaining to tobacco and alcohol. i.e. Legal to purchase from licensed corporate producers.

dabork

But that's not how it's working out. So far in every state with any medical or recreational programs, citizens are allowed to grow their own as long as they are eligible. I don't see them going backwards on that without a fight.

doginventer

Cool, really hope thats the way it works out. Possibly feeling a little more pessimistic about the possibilities this side of the Atlantic, under the EU corporatocracy.

steve0suprem0

As long as it's legal to grow your own regular weed, who gives a shit?

but it's not.

Lobotomy

Uh, yeah it is. I do.

dabork

But it will be eventually. Synthetic cannabis already exists, and it was a complete flop. The legalization movement is almost an inevitability at this point and so is a corporate interest in it, which is fine so long as we keep it legal for citizens to cultivate their own.

Chiefpacman

Totally agree with you. Decriminalization > Legalization

forgetmyname

Patent cannabis extracts were a huge thing up until it was made illegal. It is in their interests to develop new ones because many patent medicines were made from it, and this way they dont have to give us legalization, they move it to schedule 2 and continue to arrest and prosecute millions.

ObviouslyAHuman

The persecution of "undesirables" and the shredding of the Constitution is the main purpose of the drug war.

macredsmile

Selective political enforcement and prosecution.

forgetmyname

The whole purpose of illegal drugs is to disqualify citizens from being able to own guns.

ObviouslyAHuman

and to vote in some states.

WEHRMACHT_BITCHES_AT

When you try and improve on a drug that has literally never seriously injured or killed anyone and you literally kill peoples brains.

It's quite shocking trials made it to the human phase. Maybe something to do with uniqueness of human cannibinoid receptors compared to the animals they would test on? Crazy shit.

vacvape

I'm sure that trials made it directly to human testing. "Legalization" has gained some ground on them and they're working hard to put it back in the bottle.

Pfizer is lobbying the Government of Canada via The Arthritis Society to do exactly that, using a paint by numbers approach per the language they've already agreed upon. "Because marihuana is not a real medicine per Health Canada... because our patients/community find it effective, but need safe methods, because doctors won't prescribe it without standardized dosing", etc.

So they're now in the game of manufacturing the clinical evidence they need in order to justify all of this simply by running a clinical trial on a fixed ratio of cannabinoids, chosen arbitrarily. They'll then call this ratio a new cannabinoid by itself, have it patented and rubber stamped approved. Genuine medical users will then be heavily restricted and told "this is the proven effective and safe drug, you can't use that deadly plant, it causes still developing brain and harms the children". But you'll have the option of buying it a single gram at a time for an absurd price + sin tax, at the liquor store, where they're all in the business of saving the children. Or you can have that nice, prescribed, subsidized product that melts your mind.

Chiefpacman

I see where they made a lame link to marijauna, but this was a painkiller they were testing. It's not like they failed at creating synthetic marijauna to have fun with your friends. Rather, they failed at creating a new kind of pain killer that works in a new way.

Weed never was going to keep serious pain away.

vacvape

You're a tool.

Chiefpacman

At least I'm good for something.

vacvape

Not all tools are especially useful and your particular brand are a dime a dozen.

Chiefpacman

Last word

Konran

Weed never was going to keep serious pain away.

This is open to debate.

Chiefpacman

When my leg has been forcibly removed, and I'm in great pain. I'd reach for the oxy's before the weed. You?

Konran

If that was the case I'd probably ask for morphine which is also an opiate based drug like oxycodone, heroin, and methadone.

If I had muscular pain then I'd probably ask for some acupressure treatment and a little bit of physiotherapy.

If I had pain from cancer, epilepsy, or MS then I'd probably ask for medical cannabis oil that has been shown to help with many of these illnesses.

Depending on the situation I'd act differently.

Lobotomy

Me? I'd reach for a shotgun and wash my mouth out off.

Fuck losing ability.

Chiefpacman

Nice. But shot gun wasn't an option in this scenario

Lobotomy

Okay, yeah, I'd reach for a fucking lot of oxycontin then, if only in hopes that it ends my life.

Chiefpacman

Right. Because oxy's help with extreme pain. Marijauna does not.

I'm a stoner/marijauna advocate. I don't pretend medical science hasn't developed a better pain reliever than weed.