potatoez

Fisher & Pykel (white goods)

Apple (the noted battery life scandal) I've talked to a few of their repair staff who somewhat confirmed that it wasn't accidental.

Brother and various other printer manufacturers. Many of them have built in page counters which automatically trigger warnings and errors telling you to replace ink or other parts when there may be nothing wrong. There's some interesting articles out there telling you how to override this.

Many more examples.

dontwatchtv

Items that have a death chip need to be banned. No product should simply die due to the number of pages it prints or time in service.

I'm glad that to find out that Russian freeware offers software that will reset these death chips.

HentaiOjisan

As an engineer I have to say that this is completely normal and expected for mechanical machines. You design stuff to make it last the number of years it is expected to be used because prices explode if you want to make something to last "forever", and in this world you do change things because new ones appear, not only when they break. ("Oh! Look this new SuperPhone Z3 v4!! I need one now!!").

This started in machines because forces that change over time (stuff that rotates for example) suffers fatigue, and the only way to avoid it is to make extremely big the piece, thus increasing inertia and weight. Only a few stuff is designed to last forever, and it's usually things in nuclear reactors and such, never consumer objects like cars because people will want something new after a few years anyway.

From there, other manufactures started doing the same stuff just for plain benefit (light bulbs, clothes, printers, etc) but I have to say that they are still there because people allow them to do that, and it's part of capitalism anyway (freedom for all, right?). You could create a product that does live for longer than the ones in the market, so why don't they exist? Because you earn a lot more money this way. Do you want products that last forever? Then change the main objective of a company from earning money to product value.

And it is not only hardware. Have you guys heard of Windows 10? Oh! Too bad XP and 7 had to die, right? And let's not talk about Apple and their 1-year products...

whisky_cat

You mean like someone in charge of a product's life cycle at a given company?

edit: I could've just posted GE so my link is probably distracting from consumer electronics.

edit 2: my point was it's literally a job at many companies .

4030561?

I couldn't find it but there is a another doco (BBC maybe?) where the host (young Brit man-child) makes his own light bulb by the end.

potatoez

This isn't even a conspiracy it's just plainly a fact. I've heard from a number of people that work for household electronic manufactured as well as general electronics and vehicle manufactures that have stated their products have a definite designed and deliberately limited product life.

Mylon

Anyone that doesn't think this happens today is terribly naive. This is all the result of our artificial scarcity system of economics. Everyone needs a job or they starve. Well if we just build items to last then no one has jobs because we're not replacing everything frequently. This is a perfect example of why we need Basic Income so people will stop creating jobs for themselves by sabotaging their work or engaging in other rent seeking behavior.

revofire

No... it's called evolution of technology. When a certain product needs to be replaced considerably less, all needs to be done is an evolution of your company to research and produce something different, something better. Research and build a new product off of the advanced knowledge you have from your current products. That's how it works.

I figured it out when I was thinking about people being so scared that robots would take their jobs and then I realized that humans have freed up the need for basic duties so that they can do so much more. So instead a $50k+ job becomes the norm. And employers will need these jobs because more and more people will be looking for things to do and then we will be in a new age of discovery and exploration.

That or everyone because fay lazy sheeple but here's to hoping.

Mylon

Not at all. The lightbulb conspiracy literally was "If we build light bulbs that last for 1,000 hours then we make more money than if we build them to last 3,000 hours". Not because the 3000 hours light bulbs were more expensive, but they could simply sell more 1000 hour light bulbs.

Walmart is a shrine to planned obsolescence. They know that if you have a $40 toaster that lasts for two decades and a $10 one that lasts 2 years that people will buy the $10 toaster. So many of their products fit this formula. Planned obsolescence isn't about smart phones. It's about toasters and coffee machines and DVD players and stick blenders.

revofire

Oh that's the consumer end. I was referencing to how it would go if we dropped that thinking and evolved to the next level of which I can't really see what that'll be like.

Mylon

Compare the 1930s to the 1960s and you can get an idea of how much the world would change if we updated our economic model to stop worrying about jealously guarding our paychecks via planned obsolescence and other rent seeking behaviors.

I wrote this earlier today, tell me what you think: https://www.reddit.com/r/BasicIncome/comments/42ghyr/have_i_built_my_own_echo_chamber/

revofire

I don't care what we do but never touch 1. Our ability to surpass others through hard work (mind and body) 2. Pull down society as a whole to a lower level.

This is why I hate socialism. I'd die before being a slave because to be a slave is to not live. I want to fight for what matters to me. No one can tell me how much money I can or cannot have. /rant