Pawn

nobody rose up when these guys rose up. LaVoy is a true patriot in the land of dollar cucks. There they were, rising up against Tyranny and nobody else rose up with them.

EngelbertHumperdinck

The witnesses say that the FBI fired hundreds of rounds at the truck. Have any photos been released showing the condition of the vehicle after the shooting?

CarbideSHRP

Just saying.. He reached twice. They didnt shoot him when he did it just once. Seems maybe like he was actually threatening. Ok now downvote me for critical thinking.

reivin

You are getting downvoated because you are assuming they started shooting at him when he dropped his hands. Without sound or clear video he could have been shot prior to his hands dropping, we simply can not clearly state one way or the other with the video the FBI has provided. He could possibly have automatically reached for the wounds where he was shot. Tell me, if you are shot in the torso, will you keep your hands up? To expect a person to do so is unrealistic. Until we have a clear video and audio of what took place, it is all conjecture.

crazy_eyes

He was shot in the stomach which is why his hands went to his stomach. Just a natural reaction to having been shot.

reivin

I tend to agree with that, which was what I try to tell people who only think he was reaching for a weapon. No one can be expected to continue to hold their hands in the air while being shot. Regardless, without sound, or better video where muzzle fire can be seen, there is absolutely no definitive answer. We need to have clear, unfettered evidence (audio/unedited video from all sources), that way we can remove doubt. The issue is, the government tends to not want to provide clear, unfettered information unless it fits their narrative. Speculation is what they want, and unfortunately for now, it's all we have.

Possible

Eyewitness accounts are unreliable reports. Title could simply say "Numerous unreliable reports prove FBI..."

Maybe they did, but eyewitnesses are not reliable. It's the least reliable form of evidence one can find.

madmalloy

Maybe in identifying someone but saying they were shot at over a hundred times and someone they knew was killed at that point?

Not so much.

arrggg

What a fucking stupid thing to say. Someone who saw something is obviously a better witness than someone who did not.

That sounds like something a cop on trial would say.

Possible

OR it sounds like someone who knows eyewitness testimony is unreliable. The problem you're having is you think they're right, and so you can't imagine why someone would be so "fucking stupid" as to question whether they are. Well it turns out I question whether everyone is right. Not just the people I think are wrong.

arrggg

So you don't even believe your own eyes? and don't expect others to believe you when you tell them what you have seen?

Your opinion means less than nothing then , because you have somehow been convinced that even what YOU see is not true, making any statement by you irrelevant and unbelievable.

Like I said, that is a fucking stupid thing to say.

Possible

Oh, I believe what I see, but I could be wrong. If I think I'm wrong I might look again.

I don't expect others to believe me just because I've seen it. Just like I don't believe them.

At this point however, I can't continue a discussion with you. Because you clearly don't care what I think, and so its illogical for me to participate any further.

bubbleki

I thought it was all a bullshit psyop until I saw the video. They straight up assassinated the dude.

Drenki

Probably at least removed all frames with muzzle flashes of shots hitting LaVoy.

Shagoosty

Eye witness accounts are the worst type of evidence, and should hardly even be called evidence.

arrggg

What a fucking stupid thing to say. Someone who saw something happen is obviously a better witness than someone who did not even see it.

Shagoosty

Nice strawman.

ot_to_know

1 eye witness maybe, multiple saying the same thing from different perspectives I tend to disagree.

Shagoosty

It's been shown time and time again people's memories get skewed. They talk to each other and then their stories start to match more and more. Multiple eye witnesses will see one thing, and video proof will show the opposite.

reivin

And yet police and courts still use eye witness testimony in a court of law and to convict people.

Shagoosty

Pretty fucked up right?

Amadameus

I'm frankly quite surprised that the culture of videographers we've raised (by putting cell phones in their hands at age 10 or under) hasn't raised more of a stink about this.

If some SJW somewhere edits a video to make herself look good, everyone loses their minds. FBI does it to murder someone? Meh.

Estafusis

This is a good article that actually does go into what they edited out based on the eyewitness reports, but I can't say I'm particularly surprised by all this. The video the FBI released was titled "unedited video of Oregon militants' arrest" or something similar, but they admitted in the video that they cut out about 5 minutes of video because it was "uneventful" in the middle of an 8-10 minute block of completely uneventful video showing the bundy van sitting still in the middle of the road and a group of police and FBI agents posturing and pointing automatic weapons at their vehicle.

Lag-wagon

It was actually called... Edited video of lavoy shooting...

Estafusis

You may be right and I was just drunk 2/3 times I watched that video, but I distinctly remember the first time it was titled "unedited", the second time "edited", and the third time "unedited". So I had concluded that it read "unedited" the whole time. Was I the only one that remembers it this way? Or did they change the name of the YouTube video at various times and for various people? I have no doubt that Google practices this to a certain degree with searches and I've even heard of specific Google Earth searches that bring different results for different people.

FringeSociety

Yup. That's what I remember as well.

onegin

But what is the actual reason for doing the editing? They don't know how to upload a large video file? Let us (the people, the media) do the editing. Not only is it more transparent that way, its actually less work for the agency.

Black_Phillip

I don't know why you're even asking? Why are we getting a drone cam with no audio in the first place?

How about Shauna Cox saying she had her phone camera rolling the whole time (which the FBI took from her)? Where is that video? Why is the only video we have equivalent of a shitty UFO sighting and still contradicts what the FBI says?

Because it's a fucking sham, that's why.

onegin

Yeah just pointing out how easily their excuse breaks down to critical questioning.

We need phone cameras that can quickly be engaged into a mode where they will stream the video to IPFS or similar, and share the link somewhere.