Reminds me of Fulford's claim that it was triggered by an underwater nuke. And a recent post corroborating that the idea has been considered at weapons labs that we could trigger a tsunami with an underwater hydrogen bomb.

All that aside, I remember reports of flashes of light in the ionosphere immediately preceding the earthquake, which lends credece to the HAARP story. Can't find a source offhand for that though.

this is just incredibly ridiculous. this is like trying to drop a pebble in an olympic sized swimming pool of water and causing it to create a wave over one leaf. there are so many variables at work that it is impossible to achieve what you are saying.

EDIT: my corporate handlers who i shill for made me elaborate on my 3 sentence argument.

and how exactly are you not held to the same standard? you saying CO2 is not a threat could be perceived as shilling for big oil.

The difference is that you're using evidence to arrive at a conclusion, rather than having a conclusion and trying to find the reasoning behind it.

There isn't anything wrong with that, of course, but it requires a different mode of thinking.

Saying that "I don't understand why the US is allied with Israel" isn't really relevant, because it's concrete and verifiable fact that the US is allied with Israel. It is not, however, concrete fact that the global elite are using HAARP-like instruments to kill off large portions of the population, so you'd need to build a rather strong case for it in order to be taken seriously.

I'm also not sure if I really believe that the global elite think homogeneously. That link you just posted makes a lot of powerful claims, but doesn't really prove any of them - for example, if "biotech companies" are trying to develop corn that makes people sterile secretly , how does Leuren Moret know about it? How does Mexican corn being genetically modified (not that that's a good thing, just bear with me) prove that it's sterilizing ? Also, why would the University of California Berkeley, one of the most liberal establishments in the country, be in kahoots with the global biotech industry? It quotes Henry Kissinger a lot, but Kissinger hasn't really had any political power since 'Nam. The article then goes on and on about what they call "Bio-Weapons Level 4 facility" - this is just blatant fearmongering, as such facilities already exist (the biggest one is USAMRIID, probably most well known for its involvement in the Ebola Reston scandal). Also, what the fuck is an "ethnic-specific bio-weapon"? That violates common logic. The article claims that an "excellent example" of population control policies is the use of depleted uranium in the middle east - you know, ignoring the fact that depleted uranium is about as harmful as lead, and has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have real benefits in the penetration capabilities of a bullet. In fact, it's actually safer then a pure lead bullet, because if enough of those end up in your river basin, suddenly everyone who lives in that town gets brain cancer a decade later (this actually happened a lot pre-WWII, because they hadn't yet figured out that drinking lead causes problems). Finally, their sources are pretty shitty; one of them was written by the same author (why the fuck would you source yourself), and the two other ones are dead links.

So, yes, it's important to find a motive when determining something like this. People don't do things for no reason. There is no benefit to be gained by killing large amounts of working people, and there's a LOT of reasons why you'd want the opposite to happen.

You have only to review my post history both here and on Reddit and Huffpo to see that I don't shill for the Nuclear industry. I have no financial connection to nuclear whatsoever.

But I do live on Planet Earth and I do accept the science that global CO2 emissions are dragging us towards a tipping point/disaster.

If we are treating this as a Class 3 and not a Class 2, then it's time we started asking the 'unanswerable' questions.

Why? The killer question that is generally safe to ignore, but crucial when trying to induce something. Why would the elites of the world want a lower population? It's very, very fortunate for them that most people in the world are poor. More people means more taxes (for example, the USA already makes routine calculations to see what income tax revenue will be in 5-10 years), more people to do the grunt work that robots can't, etc. Depopulation just doesn't fit in with that goal. You could make the argument that China is already trying to do this (one-child-law), but that's because China doesn't actually have the ability to support even as many people as it already does. And I heard they were repealing that, anyway.

That could be, though I personally suspect it is a bit more complicated than that. I think there are oligarchs who maintain control over the various paths that people can follow to become empowered, and that plays a large role in who gets in and who doesn't. I think that there's also coercion and threats in politics by its very nature, and those can cause even good people to do things that by all appearances are harmful mistakes. And then I think ignorance is a big thing too - a lot of people in government, especially legislators, are completely ignorant of the issues they are deciding upon, influenced by whatever information they are fed by lobbyists who, lobbyists who are funded by the rich and influential more often than not.

I don't know. It may be that simply being in that position will corrupt a person intrinsically, but I think it is more likely there are a variety of influences and variables at play, which coalesce in bad results.

SENDAI – Prime Minister Shinzo Abe had little to say on the tsunami triggered core meltdowns in Fukushima, at a UN conference to underscore the urgent need to address climate change.

There was no "tsunami triggered core meltdown at Fukushima," the earthquake and tsunami of March 11, 2011 were caused by a HAARP related system like the one in China.

While the explosion that devastated the plant was caused by nuclear charges , that had been placed by an Israeli security firm under cover of a security cameras installation.

Furthermore the alleged Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941 was a False Flag !

Wheeler Army Air Field , December 7, 1941 smoke coming from planes in a row of undamaged aircraft upwind of a conflagration of other burning planes, and no blast damage or bomb craters anywhere says the aircraft were deliberately set alight at ground level.

Despite the smoke and the sunken ships , sailors shootin' the breeze and others just getting on with their business, says they were in no way concerned a a force of some hundreds of enemy planes is at large!

The entire PH affair was a replay of the False Flag 1898 USS Maine event in Havana Harbor, that caused war between the US and Spain by which the US obtained dominion over the Philippines.

There after inflicting unimaginable horrors on the indigenous inhabitants.

Thousands of Jews were absent from their workstations at the WTC in New York September 11, 2001, the day Moslem extremists were falsely blamed for attacking America,

After warnings were delivered by the Odigo Hebrew language messaging service, and from the pulpits of NY synagogues the Friday before.

Jews were hoppin' about in glee filming the attacks from ground level in New Jersey, while hundred$ of million$ in profits from airline Put Option specs, were traced to Mossad HQ in Yisrael!

Cruise Missile at the Pentagon on 911

Guided Missile at the WTC

America was attacked on 911, by the same forces that deployed HAARP and nuclear weapons against Japan March 2011, who nuked Japan in 1945 in alleged retaliation for the false flag Pearl Harbor attacks!

As for climate change, the drought in California is man made..

VIDEO: Extreme Cold in USA, Melting Arctic Methane - US Navy SBX type ionospheric heaters are responsible for the stationary Pacific high pressure ridge, which interrupt the flow of the Jet Stream, as well they break apart low pressure cells which would otherwise bring rain to California.

Ionospheric Heaters - How HAARP Works , this video confirms the SBX systems as the progenitor of the audio frequency radio waves in the ELF Band, that are driving ppl to distraction world wide .. scroll to 14 minutes 30 sec.

Postulate the recent Vanuatu event and similar hurricanes and cyclones world wide, are at the discretion of the Weather Warfare specialists!

Please look up what "primary source" data is. Peer reviewed journals are the standard.

So my initial reaction to this post was moderate-to-strong skepticism/disbelief. I've heard of HAARP, but have kind of dismissed the conspiracy theories about it as being more along the class-2 theories on the conspiracy theory rating scale . But I started viewing the links in your post. Now I'm not really sure.

I feel that this warrants further investigation, and I'd bump the conspiracy theory up to a class-3. The depopulation quotes are particularly disconcerting.

I think that it is important not to give in to panic and fear, as that can cloud judgment, and a scared people are much easier to manipulate than when they are calm, and too scared people sometimes panic and do harmful things when they are acting on incomplete or incorrect information. We should be careful, cautious, and sort the information out before jumping to the conclusion that most of us will be dead in 20 years due to HAARP and fukushima radiation (or other sources of radiation, like the TSA scanners).

It is a very scary thought, I agree. I like what hans rosling has said about population , about the overpopulation myth. His ted talk about it was pretty enlightening. the notion that as countries have increasing quality of life, families tend to have fewer children, generally one or two, and that based on historical trends it is likely population rates will stabilize in the not-too-distant future as a matter of course. It's comforting. I think, too, that improved agricultural processes, like John Jeavons' Grow Biointensive farming and Paul Stamets ideas about mycorhizal farming would resolve our food supply issues without the need for potentially harmful GMO fearmongering ("we NEED GMOs to feed everyone!").

I think that things like this are why its important we have a functioning government system, why its important to hold elected officials accountable and get sane folks in there who represent our interests. IF HAARP is being used to create earthquakes and disasters, I could see it being used as a strategic weapon to promote american interests without the need for it to be about global depopulation. I think we should be careful about assuming that it is being employed for that purpose.

I'd like to see if we can find more information about HAARP. I don't know enough about it, whether officially or unofficially.

Yeah it's tough. I think if there's valid criticism then it should be expressed with neutral emotional content, contain no personal attacks or pejoratives etc. and generally be made from a position of trying to promote critical thinking and truth rather than demeaning those you disagree with or feel are mistaken. Some people get off on being dicks, some people get off on creating huge emotional fights - and those kinds of fights harm the community because they discourage participation in the discussion for fear of being attacked.

I don't know the perfect solution to the problem of trolls like this other than little rules of thumb like being vigilant in identifying belligerent behavior, being aware of the problems that can arise in interactions with them, and trying not to let it affect you emotionally.

There is absolutely NO primary source data provided here.

"Geologists have long puzzled over anecdotal reports of strange atmospheric phenomena in the days before big earthquakes. But good data to back up these stories has been hard to come by." Really?

Why should we believe that there is ANY credible discussion among geologists or that there is any Demeter Data that supports the claims here? Where is the scholarly journal article that presents the supposed data and the supposed "puzzling" by geologists.

HAARP? Damn, if only a whimpy little radio wave transmitter had the power claimed here! Then we might actually have a tool to tinker with the oncoming global climate catastrophe driven by the very unsexy accumulation of atmospheric CO2. If only!

Be mindful about getting caught up with trolls, friend.

"in light of these revelations"

The biggest revelation in these tinfoil-hat "exposés" is that there is a tremendous confidence in, at least, the power of government and science to control events.

If only that were true. That would be a real message of hope.