Unreasonable

Sure! You're the one suggesting lighting a firecracker next to your head every day wouldn't cause long term health effects. But whatever. Take a swing at my dick, I bet you wouldn't know where to punch seeing how far up your ass your head currently is.

tryingthisout

What kind of yearly test do you get for working around RF? What industry?

tryingthisout

I guess my argument was a little convoluted. I was trying to point out irrational standards of risk perception. UV: proved dangerous (although only after years and years of heavy exposure), minimal concern. Microwave radiation: no clear evidence of danger, high level of concern. In retrospect it's a strawman. However, my assertion that microwave radiation is safe still stands.

Unreasonable

I wouldn't want either near my head. Dumbass.

The WHO International Agency for Research on Cancer Classification has specified that Cell Phones are carcinogenic, causing a 10 fold increase in Glial cancer with 20 minutes of use per day for 10 years. Do you fall into that category?

http://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2011/iarccellphonemay2011

tryingthisout

It says no such thing. In fact, it says the complete opposite. See my response to your other post above.

reivin

Lots of people visit the areas this has been taking place in. It's the state capital ffs! They have plenty of areas to test this shit, out in away from people. Nevada on their bases for one, Mojave for another. I guess that's not their aim. Ugh this disgusts me. The PNW is my home. It's bad enough we have a super fund site out east leaking radiation, now this. Great.

tryingthisout

OH NO! I use electromagnetic waves to heat my food! And to see things! And to communicate!

Kal

lol, good one troll.

tryingthisout

I'm not trolling. I'm being the voice of reason.

Unreasonable

You are being bombarded with microwave energy, yes the same energy that cooks your food, through your cell phone and the requisite towers.

How your doublethink is so strong baffles me.

"It cooks food! It must be good to put next to my head!"

Amadameus

If cell phone radiation were damaging, why have the tower techs not been dropping like flies? They sit next to a HUGE source of this stuff for hours at a time.

Compared to your cell phone, the difference is drops to gallons.

Unreasonable

Funnily enough, they are!

Along with soldiers;

Among Polish soldiers (128 thousand personnel subjects aged from 20 to 59 years), soldiers of 20—29 years old exposed to radar microwaves during 1970—1979 had cancer incidence rates 5.5 folds higher than non-exposed soldiers [16]. The greatest rise of cancer cases was detected in blood-forming organs and lymphatic tissues: by 13.9 folds for chronic myelocytic leukemia and 8.6 folds for myeloblastic leukemia. The level of mortality among all exposed personnel was significantly higher than in unexposed: for colorectal cancer (observed-expected ratio, OER 3.2; 95 %), for cancer of esophagus and stomach (OER 3.2; 95 %), cancer of blood-forming system and lymphatic tissues (OER 6.3; 95 %) [17].

airline pilots;

A very substantial increase in cancer incidence was also detected in commercial airline pilots. Thus, the standardized incidence ratio (SIR) for malignant melanoma cases was 10.2; 95.5 % for pilots of commercial airlines in Iceland [19]. Significantly increased risks of acute myeloid leukemia (SIR 5.1), skin cancer, excluding melanoma (SIR 3.0) and total cancer (SIR 1.2) were observed also among Danish male jet pilots [20]. These data have been explained as a result of excess cosmic ionizing radiation or even excessive sun radiation during a leisure time. However, analysis of brain cancers among US Air Force personnel has revealed that non-ionizing radiation and particularly MW had significant effect on cancer development (odds ratio, OR 1.38; 95%), whereas ionizing radiation had negative association with cancer cases (OR 0.58; 95 %) [21]. To that, standardizing mortality ratio (SMR) for brain tumors was 2.1; 95 % among German male cockpit crew members (6,017 people) [22]. Cancer risk was significantly raised (risk ratio 2.2; 95%) among cockpit crew members employed for 30 years as compared to those employed for less than 10 years. In addition, Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma (NHL) was also increased (SMR 4.2; 95%) among male cabin crew members (20,757 people). Importantly, any increase in cancers associated with ionizing (cosmic) radiation was not detected in this cohort study.

police officers;

In another report, six incident cases of testicular cancer occurred within a cohort of 340 police officers between 1979 and 1991 in Seattle, Washington, observed/expected ratio was 6.9; p<0.001 [23]. Occupational use of hand-held radar was the only shared risk factor among all six officers, and all had a routine habit of keeping the radar gun directly in close proximity to their testicles. Similarly, in Ontario, Canada risk assessment among police officers exposed to radar devices for speed measurement (1,596 females and 20,601 males) revealed an increased risk among men for testicular cancer (SIR 1.3) and for melanoma (SIR 1.45; 95 %) [24].

and radar operators;

Other occupational studies revealed the highest risk ratio (2.6) for acute myelogenous leukemia in radio and radar operators among all occupational groups studied [25]. In addition, excessive risk for breast cancer was detected (SIR 1.5) among Norwegian female radio and telegraph operators (2,619 women) with potential exposure to radio frequency (405 kHz — 25 MHz) [26].

Basically anyone who works around microwave communications. And since that now includes everyone on the planet, that includes you!

http://exp-oncology.com.ua/article/1845/long-term-exposure-to-microwave-radiation-provokes-cancer-growth-evidences-from-radars-and-mobile-communication-systems

Here's a great video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ijs5lrebac

tryingthisout

Because I understand how it works. Microwave energy excites water molecules. That's it. If it excites the water molecules in my body, my temperature will increase slightly. Too little for me to notice. Ultraviolet radiation is actually dangerous - there are numerous studies that show this. Are you afraid of sunlight?

Unreasonable

The WHO International Agency for Research on Cancer Classification has specified that Cell Phones are carcinogenic, causing a 10 fold increase in Glial cancer with 20 minutes of use per day for 10 years. Do you fall into that category?

http://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2011/iarccellphonemay2011

Sunlight works on a completely different electromagnetic spectrum that we're discussing.

Not only have you shown yourself to be incompetent when it comes to scientific discussion, you're also poor at debating.

Doesn't matter who you are, microwave energy causes frictional heating on a subatomic level. Microwaves tuned to 2.4 GHz interact with water the most. Hence why it is used to heat food. GSM Base towers literally have the entire microwave spectrum to use, but have also chosen 2.4 GHz, why? To microwave the people, thats why.

tryingthisout

From your 5 year old link:

The World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) today classified mobile phone use and other radiofrequency electromagnetic fields as a possible carcinogen (group 2B).

This category is used for agents for which there is limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans and less than sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in experimental animals .

It doesn't even make the "probably" category, 2A. Other items in the 2B category: talcum powder, pickled vegetables, coffee.

Third paragraph, from you own link:

Interphone, considered the major study on cell phone use and cancer risk, has reported that overall, cell phone users have no increased risk of the most common forms of brain tumors -- glioma and meningioma. In addition, the study revealed no evidence of increasing risk with progressively increasing number of calls, longer call time, or years since beginning cell phone use. For the small proportion of study participants who reported spending the most total time on cell phone calls, there was some increased risk of glioma, but the researchers considered this finding inconclusive. Furthermore, a large population-based cohort study in Denmark has found no evidence of increased risk of brain tumors. It is noteworthy that brain cancer incidence and mortality rates in the population have changed little in the past decade.

And here's the details from the WHO fact sheet

Short-term effects

Tissue heating is the principal mechanism of interaction between radiofrequency energy and the human body...resulting in negligible temperature rise in the brain or any other organs of the body.

Long-term effects

...results of animal studies consistently show no increased cancer risk for long-term exposure to radiofrequency fields. ... The international pooled analysis of data gathered from 13 participating countries found no increased risk of glioma or meningioma with mobile phone use of more than 10 years. There are some indications of an increased risk of glioma for those who reported the highest 10% of cumulative hours of cell phone use, although there was no consistent trend of increasing risk with greater duration of use. The researchers concluded that biases and errors limit the strength of these conclusions and prevent a causal interpretation.

You're the incompetent one, shown by your inability to look beyond the headline. You'd rather believe in some pseudo-science bullshit ridiculous conspiracies than think reasonably. That's why you write stuff like this:

SM Base towers literally have the entire microwave spectrum to use, but have also chosen 2.4 GHz, why? To microwave the people, thats why.

Pray tell me, why would cell phone designers want to microwave people?

Unreasonable

Simple answer; Population control.

Here's some updated research! Hey, 5 years old is pretty contemporary.

This is a professor at Columbia University who, along with 100 top scientists, have signed a document describing the dangers of EMFs.

MARTIN BLANK earned PhDs in physical chemistry (1957) from Columbia University and in colloid science (1960) from University of Cambridge. He came to the department in 1959, retired as Associate Professor in 2011 and is now a Special Lecturer. His research has been on membranes, transport processes, excitation, and recently on health effects of electromagnetic radiation (EMR). His book on health effects of EMR is due out at the end of 2013.

http://www.physiology.columbia.edu/MartinBlank.html

and a short video of his!

I agree fully with his stance. He's does a much better job of describing it. Take a look!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ijs5lrebac

Womb_Raider

Imagine how terrifying a microwave gun would be though. Cook your enemies in a short 3-5 minutes.

tryingthisout

As long as they stay still and rotate steadily.