Lobotomy

No dude, you're right, ISIS was DEFINITELY started by the CIA. It took them less than half a decade to go from being a bunch of nobody sandniggers, to being the new Al Quaeda. Politically speaking, that is essentially an overnight change. They have NATO weapons that were manufactured without serial numbers. They are extremely resourceful and know FAR too much about the West, things they wouldn't know without direct influence. There's no other way to explain it.

bubbleki

That's small fry. Muslims have no problem accepting totalitarian regimes. They are transforming the West.

onezeno

The migrant crisis is a reaction to the left's fear of nationalism, which is itself a result of World War II. They are inculcated with the notion that nationalism is backwards and barbarian. They encourage migration because if the population is multinational, then nationalism can never again arise, and humanity will forever live in peace and sing kumbaya while holding hands.

twentyfive

makes no point, pin people on people. do not let us join as a union. 101.... migragrants lol they are radical islam im sure some some are let go aswell... its 2016 not 1911 our govermnet hates us

trentlapinski

I've seen it, and I'm in tech.

I know the programs they have are effective if they already have a target, but from my understanding they don't have the tech required for an autonomous detection system. They have keyword based detection and archiving but it still requires a person to pull the records and put the pieces together. It isn't like they have some anti-terrorism detection system yet, although I'm sure someone's building one.

Unless there's been some major breakthrough I'm unaware of.

pitenius

I like the "CANT'T". I only wish he'd use " instead of ', as if the caps lock were off, but he was rage pressing shift.

Obrez

Corollary function, it's to progress world zionism.

Iforgotmy_other_acct

You're thinking to small and too domestic.

This is what you're looking for.

Amadameus

The question is, how do we stop it from continuing?

I don't have any good answers, but I think the same divide-and-conquer tactics are in place here on Voat when we see conservatives laughing at limp wristed froo-froo liberals and on Reddit when they assume any conservative is a racist old white guy with a stick up his ass.

It sounds like a hippie dream, but I think the first step is to take arguments and redirect them into finding common ground. If all we ever do is bitch at each other then nothing will ever get done and TPTB will sit in their chairs and laugh.

Lake

This is one of the best arguments I have read and I'm really being serious. I'm sure it's been said before and I may have even heard it before but the way you put it made it click for me. It made me rethink my opinions on certain things.

Amadameus

I'm glad you liked it!

I subscribe to all kinds of grim conspiracy theories but I'm an optimist at heart. Whenever I start getting too upset about the world I remember that there are TONS of conservatives and liberals I talk to every day who are reasonable, well-spoken and easy to get along with. The reason why the dark figures in smoky rooms fight so desperately to keep their power is because people naturally cooperate and resolve their differences.

Go search around and find those "how to disrupt internet discussion boards" guides ripped from spy manuals. Most of them focus on getting people to argue and forget about the goal. People often put in place rigid rules to try and stop this, but it usually doesn't work well. But what can work at stopping the disinformation? Simply agreeing to disagree, calming down and going back to rational discussion.

Side note: I've had much better discussions online once I stopped arguing my case to people and instead focused on "we disagree on X and Y but we can agree on Z, what should we do about that?" I think people like to collaborate more than argue, so I just let it happen.

Dead-_

No, you're wrong. We did it to destabilized Syria for Israel. Look for yourself.

Israel Syria

http://www.inquisitr.com/2922838/hillary-clinton-email-overthrow-assad-destroy-syria-for-israel-2/

TiagoTiago

I would not be surprised if many of the rapes and other terrorist attacks are actually false-flag attacks...

7even6ix2wo

My theory is that it was allowed to progress because if you didn't stop it at just the right time you couldn't be sure that wouldn't just go away for a little while and come right back when people stopped worrying about the NSA again.

Voluptuous_Panda

The problem is the people committing the atrocities are not American citizens, yet they strip citizens of their rights while turning a blind eye to those non-citizens.

Sosacms

I fail to see how creating more attacks for the NSA to not stop will legitimize the NSA.

pray_the_gay_away

That, and to tear down borders and usher in a 1 world government with a single currency and central bank to quash any pathetic attempt at democracy everywhere forever.

Drenki

CANT'T HAVE A NEVER-ENDING GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR WITHOUT CREATING A NEVER-ENDING SUPPLY OF TERRORISTS TO WAGE IT AGAINST.

Sciency

That might be the most concise summary of a conspiracy ive ever seen. Well done.

trentlapinski

It's simply apart of the entire military industrial complex, not just specifically the NSA although they do benefit. If you read Hillary's emails the US purposely destabilized Syria, and the Bush admin destabilized Iraq. These two factors created the refugee crisis.

Meanwhile the terrorism simply justifies the surveillance state and continual war.

From technological standpoint I don't think the NSA is going to be able to find the needles in the haystacks anytime soon. Meanwhile why would they stop attacks which justify their budget?

They don't need legitimacy they already have it by spying on the officials of foreign nations.

Dead-_

We did it to destabilized Syria for Israel. Look for yourself.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2922838/hillary-clinton-email-overthrow-ass

Same reason we went into Libya. For Israel. Again, look.

https://rehmat1.com/2016/03/01/us-analyst-iraq-libya-and-syria-destroyed-for-israel/

Clinton destabilized Libya on the instructions of Jew Sidney Blumenthal who works for Jew George Soros, who funds open border activists in Europe, which is now being flooded with Libyans.

Sidney Blumenthal is a Jew that instructed Hillary Clinton to destabilize Libya.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/emails-contradict-hillarys-claim-sidney-blumenthal-wasnt-my-advisor-on-libya/

Sidney Blumenthal works for Media Matters, which is owned by Jew George Soros.

" Blumenthal's congressional inquisitors posed roughly three times as many questions on his associations with the Clinton Foundation -- the charitable organization tied to the former first family for which he was a paid consultant -- as well as his work for Democratic-campaign institutions such as Media Matters "

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/sidney-blumenthal-benghazi-deposition_n_7617974.html

Media Matters is funded by George Soros.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Matters_for_America

George Soros also funds open border activist groups in Europe.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/02/soros-admits-involvement-in-migrant-crisis-national-borders-are-the-obstacle/

Now after Hillary destabilized Libya they're all flooding into Europe, which is what George Soros wants.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/11970313/Libya-warns-it-could-flood-Europe-with-migrants-if-EU-does-not-recognise-new-Islamist-government.html

This is only one tiny sliver of Jewish involvement in the flooding Europe with Muslims.

trentlapinski

I've read some of these theories before, Soros also seems to involved in funding the anti-Trump protests. However the thing I'm a little iffy on still is why?

What's the intention of flooding Europe with Muslims? What's the end game?

Hektik

I second this, most of the email leaks from Sec.State. H.Clinton are about pleasing Israel, it really is treason considering the amount of damage they do to US interests. They are also guilty of a shit ton of International Warcrimes that people just look away from.

carbanara

No one supported the war in the Middle East. We had to be reminded why we need the crusades

etzefeck

The migrant crisis re-legitimizing the NSA was just a perk, not the intended effect. It's plain as day to anyone with half a brain that the migrant crisis was created intentionally to create a culture clash between Whites/Christians and Muslims, causing them to fight it out, so the Jews can dominate the winner while they are still weak from fighting. The Jews are intentionally sparking World War III so the world's biggest powers can fight amongst each other and tire each other out and also kill their best and brightest in the fighting. This is nothing more than a power grab.

Dysnomia

Ya think>?

Amadameus

The refugee crisis is also a great way to get the American hatred for Arabs spread over to the EU as well. The more racial tensions, the easier people are to manipulate.

jerry

People don't hate Arabs. They hate Islam. Two completely different things. Don't twist it

Amadameus

All this talk about 'sandniggers' sure does give the opposite impression.

jerry

People also call stuff "gay," that doesn't mean they hate homosexuals. Arabs are the vessel. Not all are extremist, but all extremist Muslims are Arab. Or the vast majority of Islam extremists are middle eastern

Amadameus

I'll definitely agree that Islam is toxic and needs to be eradicated - but I'll say the same about Christianity.

Problem is that words like 'sandnigger' and 'faggot' are not going to help get people on the identity politics train to even think about your position. We need to start focusing on common ground if we want to get anything done. If Voat separates from Reddit and both continue to entrench their own politics, then we'll just end up being the next generation of stalemated Congressmen shutting down the budget to prevent the other from getting any wins.

Edit - one more thing, not all extremist Muslims are Arab or even Arab-looking. In fact, non-Arabs are preferred because they're not as suspicious. These terrorist cells thrive on racial tension, why do you think the first thing they did was bomb Europe for accepting their own people?

escapefromredditbay

^ this ^

NSA, EU, ISIS, they all benefit from a violent and harsh reaction somehow