redditor1255

This isn't even close to Treason. It amazes me that someone who talks about the Constitution so much has clearly never read it.

selpai

So what are you going to do about it? Round up some people, grab your guns, maybe occupy a place of government? Oh wait...

Not that I'm mocking the notion; the Bundy's had the right idea, poorly executed. It's just that justice won't come from the courts or media exposure. Real political power comes out of the barrel of a gun; and while we are badly in need of violent uprising, people have to actually be prepared to do violence. The protesters in Oregon were not, and neither are the Oathkeepers. I wish they were. Non-violent dissidence will inevitably be suppressed by those willing to use force.

The man said that a “Common Law Grand Jury” must be formed.

Great, how are you going to enforce your verdict?

“Go to Sheriff Palmer, give him the documents I have in my possession. Get the militia, get the Oath Keepers and every patriot deputized and start arresting everyone all the way from here to Washington D.C. […] fraud has no statue of limitation […] they all need to be indicted.”

...

These people are living in dream land, thinking that these things can be accomplished through civil means.

Drejul

You are 100% correct. I only wish more people realized what's going on.

Quawonk

The government has betrayed the people many times over, and the people just don't give a shit. Why should this be any different?

MrPim

So, idk, release them? Post them online? Send them to the news?

A shitty video where I can't barely hear you because of the generator in the background isn't really how you do this.

There's a reason conspiracy fags get called conspiracy fags. It's because you either have no evidence, or seemingly have no idea what to do with it when you do. No, I'm not going to sit through eight and a half minutes of noise. Post it online in a text format. or take picture of those pages.

Men13

If you're that easily distracted - you don't care enough. And it has little to do with the media - the media IS giving us the relevant information. We know about it - they talk about it all the time. No one cares.

Hillary is under federal investigation for a crime that - on anyone else - would set her in prison for decades maybe. She's still the front-runner for the democratic party. You can't say the media is silent on this matter. You can't blame the media for that.

necron30

What's with the MSM love? They're treatment of her treason investigation is always a joke - meaning they only refer to it as if it is a foregone conclusion that she won't actually be convicted. They're not talking about when the details of the holes in security she caused or the contents of the emails. They're acting like this is an embarrassment sideshow you have to be politically motivated to pursue.

McBitches

This is music to my ears. I have to go over there to get deputized then?

Men13

And no one will care. That's why the government can continuously get away with this shit - no one cares.

TigoleBitties

Those who understand the problem sure has hell care, but the vast majority are completely ignorant of what is going on since i happens to their eyes in barren land far away from civilization.

Men13

FFS, our own government smuggled guns into drug dealer's hands that were later used by said drug dealers against the US and its allies in Mexico. The media did its best to make people understand the depth of the treacherous acts there, and they just couldn't get the public to care.

Our own government took drugs and sold them on the streets of our own cities, fueling gang wars and crime, so they could have more money "off the books" to do other shit they don't want us to know about. AND YOU CAN'T GET THE PUBLIC TO CARE.

Sure, some will say they care. But no one is rioting on the streets because of it. No politician had to resign because of it. No politician was voted out of office because of it. Hell, no election campaign even attacked its opponent because of it!

FFS, the head of the NSA provably and on the record, in front of the American people, lied under oath to congress during an official inquiry. The media tried to convey to the people how big a deal it is. AND NO ONE CARES.

No one cares. Yes, as much as I'm ashamed to admit - that includes me. I have food on my table, a roof over my head, and the next episode of [some silly TV show] to wait for - I'm not going out to demand change. I'll post about it online sometimes, if I'm bored.

They have no reason to stop, because NO ONE CARES .

TigoleBitties

They are too busy waiting in line for their next cell phone, while sharing pictures of their daily latte, and tweeting about last nights televised talent show contestants. Someones mission is accomplished ...

k_digi

ha ha ha you got that right, but remember that's all a consequence of their individual actions so... you know.

@men13 comment below is correct

Who is "they"? We are too busy etc. etc. etc.. Basically, our lives are, let's be honest, comfortable enough that we don't feel the need to care.

i wonder for how long though.

Men13

Who is "they"? We are too busy etc. etc. etc.. Basically, our lives are, let's be honest, comfortable enough that we don't feel the need to care.

I mean, how often do YOU go out and try to start a revolt? For that matter, how often do YOU go out to picket. I know I don't. Oh, maybe once or twice for fun. With friends. You know how it is. But a serious demonstration?

cpebach

The Oregon Standoff participants are the conspirators and lawbreakers here...specifically:

Those charged with possessing firearms and dangerous weapons:

  • Ammon Bundy
  • Ryan Bundy
  • Ritzheimer
  • Payne
  • Cavalier
  • Shawna Cox
  • Travis Cox
  • Patrick
  • Dylan Anderson
  • Sean Anderson
  • Fry
  • Banta
  • Sandra Lynn Anderson
  • Kjar
  • Lequieu
  • Blomgren
  • Thorn
  • Stanek
  • Flores
  • an unnamed defendant

Those charged with use and carry of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence:

  • Ammon Bundy
  • Ryan Bundy
  • Ritzheimer
  • Cavalier
  • Payne
  • Patrick
  • Sean Anderson
  • Fry
  • Lequieu

Those charged with theft of government property:

  • Medenbach
  • Ritzheimer
  • Ryan Bundy

Those charged with with depredation of government property:

  • Sean Anderson
  • an unnamed defendant

Federal judges have granted the release of Shawna Cox, Ehmer, O'Shaughnessy, Stanek, Sandra Anderson, Flores and Ritzheimer pending the outcome of the criminal proceedings.

  • Scott A. Willingham, 49, of Colorado, faces one count of theft of government property for his alleged role in removing a camera at an electrical substation near the refuge in January. He also was arrested on unrelated state charges -- unlawful use of a weapon and second-degree disorderly conduct -- March 16 in Grant County.

You can also read the indictment at http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/09/SUPERSEDINGINDICT3916.pdf

arrggg

Wow, 20 minutes for a big government defender to show up...

This is an obvious attempt to silence and jail protestors of what the government was doing to the ranchers, which was basically running them off their own land using any means necessary. The prosecutor is going to throw every stupid charge they can at them just to see what will stick, as proven by this idiotic list that starts with: Those charged with possessing firearms

There is much more to this story. Don't believe the first thing you read.