Hypothetical_Boner

Anyone know any cheat codes yet?

pitenius

What better way to convince you that the national debt doesn't matter than to suggest that we're playing Unreal Tournament with infinite ammo?

I've had this suspicion myself -- it's been a philosophical trope since at least Descartes, but there's a reason we're hearing about it. Probably because our material conditions are unlikely to improve for a generation and this is the new opiate of the masses.

Lobotomy

Are we talking UT99 here? Where's Deck 16?

Anyway, simulation or not, the national debt doesn't matter anyway. It's just an intangible number on a wall somewhere that we have no obligation to repay.

pitenius

Oh, we can repay it. Like I said, we're on infinite ammo! Detachment from a gold standard has insured that!

Lobotomy

Detachment from the gold standard is exactly why we aren't going to repay it. We simply don't have to.

MCVoat

Personally, I think it's all nonsensical, speculative, gobbledygook.

Al_Rubyx

I truly believe we're in a simulation, and also that it doesn't matter that we're in a simulation.

NDT has been saying some crazy stuff lately too, and I heard he was an atomic asshole in person. Doesn't detract from the science he does... But he needs to only make expert statements about the things he's an expert on.

pitenius

List the top five science achievements of Black Science Man -- discoveries, projects, methodologies, programs, etc. but NOT payed positions or TV appearances. This man is window dressing.

Al_Rubyx

He's an astrophysicist and cosmologist. Those are legit positions and he has to be smart. Unless it's about space, though, he shouldn't be talking honestly.

pitenius

:-/ I disagree. He's been a research affiliate of Princeton, which is a "legit position". His key claim to fame is being the director of the Hayden Planetarium. A planetarium is not a research tool -- it's an educational tool. As director, he mostly managed a rebuilding project that involved managing a budget. This is closer to finance than science. By extension, every defense contractor would be a "legit position".

There's remarkably few "jobs" that entitle someone to call themselves "astrophysicist" or "cosmologist". And, frankly, why not add physicist, mathematician, astronomer, etc? Having been through this rodeo a few times, I know that your "title" tends to change with the grant. (To take a personal example, mathematics can be repackaged as "bioinformatics" and "theoretical computer science" -- without changing a damned thing, other than which grant dispersing agency I'm pandering to.)

That's why I asked for actual achievements. His dissertation kind of counts, but the people who care about Black Science Man don't care about his dissertation. I highly doubt they could read it. I'd say that was an achievement. Defining Pluto? Meh. Media management. I have more respect for the guys who back engineered the patch for the error in the Hubble.

Does he have to be smart? Not really. He bombed his first stint at grad school. He got the courtesy MA and a suggestion that he try something else. He was on sports teams as a grad student, for fuck's sake. I'd invite anyone who has played an college sport and gotten a PhD to consider that. This is a real "what the fuck are you thinking?" decision.

MCVoat

but he's not a scientist bro.

Al_Rubyx

He's an astrophysicist and a cosmologist.

SarMegahhikkitha

Hsu and Zee have suggested that the CMB provides an opportunity for a potential creator/simulator of our universe to communicate with the created/simulated without further intervention in the evolution of the universe. If, in fact, it is determined that observables in our universe are consistent with those that would result from a numerical simulation, then the Hsu-Zee scenario becomes a more likely possibility. Further, it would then become interesting to consider the possibility of communicating with the simulator, or even more interestingly, manipulating or controlling the simulation itself.

Al_Rubyx

I've wondered about a way to communicate with the simulation runner for a while. Of course this may be just one thread in a vast multi-simulation (which is what I believe) in which case it would be very hard. We have to figure out a way to somehow draw with time as well as space, as well as figure out something they would realize as a message.

SarMegahhikkitha

It would be insanely easy to determine the "signature" for organic life and immediately identify what exoplanets contain it, like spending 5 minutes writing a definition for a virus scanner. Then to learn the language, a civilization this advanced would have AI that learns the languages the same way a baby learns (with the advantage that it's not scouring the internet but actually observing our interactions). By associative learning it would be very easy to map our brains non-invasively; every time we're touched our somatosensory cortex is activated for the place of touch, every time our motor cortex is activated the associated muscle moves. If the AI is automatically figuring out that every area of our labial premotor cortex is associated with a phoneme then it's trivial to have a read-out of our thoughts.

Someone doesn't write a game like The Sims to look at the pretty swirling scenery. They want to see the thought bubbles, they want to be voyeurs. They may even want insertion hooks to meddle with the reality covertly (e.g. by learning the association of people's emotions with amygdalar activation and messing with their minds). In fact, they're likely to have ethical treatment laws the way we have for animal testing, and they may be obligated to intervene in societies that go to shit.

k_digi

https://voat.co/v/whatever/comments/974028

here ya go bro - I'm a genuine space brother here to help a fellow space bro out.

i think that if you think this is a 'simulation' you 'may be very high'

but in a way you know, what's a 'simulation' ?

nothing is more real than 'real life'