TTrns

Count Jerzy Potocki, Polish Ambassador in Washington, in [his] 12 January 1939 report to the Foreign Minister in Warsaw:

The feeling now prevailing in the United States is marked by a growing hatred of Fascism and, above all, of Chancellor Hitler and everything connected with Nazism. Propaganda is mostly in the hands of the Jews who control almost 100 percent radio, film, daily and periodical press. Although this propaganda is extremely coarse and presents Germany as black as possible -- above all religious persecution and concentration camps are exploited -- this propaganda is nevertheless extremely effective since the public here is completely ignorant and knows nothing of the situation in Europe.

[note, in 1939, the population of the concentration camps was 20,000 -- mostly criminals and Bolshevik revolutionaries -- in a nation of 70 million]

It is interesting to note that in this extremely well-planned campaign which is conducted above all against National Socialism, Soviet Russia is almost completely excluded. If mentioned at all, it is only in a friendly manner and things are presented in such a way as if Soviet Russia were working with the bloc of democratic states. Thanks to the clever propaganda the sympathy of the American public is completely on the side of Red Spain.

Besides this propaganda, a war psychosis is being artificially created. The American people are told that peace in Europe is hanging only by a thread and that war is unavoidable. At the same time the American people are unequivocally told that in case of a world war, America must also take an active part in order to defend the slogans of freedom and democracy in the world.

From his 9 Feb 1938 report:

The pressure of the Jews on President Roosevelt and on the State Department is becoming ever more powerful ...

... The Jews are right now the leaders in creating a war psychosis which would plunge the entire world into war and bring about general catastrophe. This mood is becoming more and more apparent.

... in their definition of democratic states, the Jews have also created real chaos: they have mixed together the idea of democracy and communism and have above all raised the banner of burning hatred against Nazism.

This hatred has become a frenzy. It is propagated everywhere and by every means: in theaters, in the cinema, and in the press. The Germans are portrayed as a nation living under the arrogance of Hitler which wants to conquer the whole world and drown all of humanity in an ocean of blood.

In conversations with Jewish press representatives I have repeatedly come up against the inexorable and convinced view that war is inevitable. This international Jewry exploits every means of propaganda to oppose any tendency towards any kind of consolidation and understanding between nations. In this way, the conviction is growing steadily but surely in public opinion here that the Germans and their satellites, in the form of fascism, are enemies who must be subdued by the 'democratic world.'

creep

[note, in 1939, the population of the concentration camps was 20,000 -- mostly criminals and Bolshevik revolutionaries -- in a nation of 70 million]

Oh, well, that's okay, then if it was only 20,000!

Define "criminal" in this context. Who would the gestapo consider a criminal?

TTrns

Oh, well, that's okay, then if it was only 20,000!

Well, as we're mostly talking about criminals and violent Bolshevik revolutionaries, then it was probably a good thing for Germany...

Define "criminal" in this context. Who would the gestapo consider a criminal?

The same as other countries in the 1930's. You realize they weren't imprisoning Jews for being Jews until well after the war started -- and then, this was done for exactly the same reasons as Japanese people being locked up in the US, or Germans locked up in India, etc.

creep

Who, then?

They weren't arresting people for any actual crime. They were arresting people for suspected potential crimes, one of which was simply making Hitler's regime feel nervous. This is nowhere near the same as other countries in the 1930s.

Edit: I didn't say anything about Jewish people. I asked you to define criminals. Not everyone they went after was Jewish.

TTrns

They weren't arresting people for any actual crime.

Sure they were, although [in particular] from 1933 to 1934 there were also a lot of political prisoners.

All I'm suggesting here is that you might want to read a little more widely on the topic, and try to keep in mind that it has generally not been possible for people to "minimize" or "apologize" (or debunk) claims about NS Germany -- in some cases, people are imprisoned for doing this. Whereas claims made about how EVIL the Nazis are are encouraged and never subjected to critical evaluation.

http://codoh.com/library/document/1171/

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/ccfacts.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/holocaust/wiki/articles

TTrns

I'm not sure what movie you're getting this from. Political prisoners were a tiny minority of the camp population, unless you consider Bolshevik terrorists to be "political prisoners".

creep

It's not from any movie. Answer the question: What constituted a criminal to the Gestapo? And if you're going to talk population, tell us all what percentage of the 20,000 were "Bolshevik terrorists" and what percentage were political prisoners.

TTrns

Well, I think you might need to take a step back and remind yourself that we view this period of history almost entirely through the distorted lens of the "victors history" and the horror-show entertainment industry where Nazis are an archetype of pure evil. This is, in content and tone, a continuation of Allied and Soviet wartime propaganda -- although anti-Nazi atrocity propaganda began as early as 1933.

As for the camps, it seems there were a wide variety of imprisonable offences. People who refused military service were imprisoned (notably, Jehovah's Witnesses). People were imprisoned for sodomy (which was also illegal in all states of the US, until the 1960's). But, although I don't have the statistics at hand, from my reading, it seems pretty clear that the two largest classes of prisoners were "antisocials" (which iirc would include professional criminals) and Bolshevik revolutionaries.

The camps were (at least initially) referred to by Germans as "education camps", and the goal was apparently to brainwash and/or rehabilitate the prisoners so that, upon release, they could integrate into society. As late as 1944, communists were being released from the camps, having supposedly abandoned their political ideology.

Edit: I recommend reading this article .

UncleIroh

Simply look at all the pictures that came out of concentration camps and generally out of Nazi Germany They can't all be fake, because there are thousands, and the fascism and racism was rampant. A lot of the pictures were found and released by the allies days after they discovered them when Germany fell. Listen to Hitler's speeches about race superiority, and pay attention to his rhetoric and passionate hatred. I have a really hard time believing that he wasn't fucked enough to kill anybody he didn't see fit to live. He details in Mein Kampf about how he wanted to take over the world, and pushes a fascist agenda about racial cleansing. Maybe some of what we know about Nazi Germany is exaggerated, but Hitler's views were completely hateful, and Germany was a dangerous state to the rest of the free world. It's possible that to the general public they were known as education camps, so people who weren't completely insane or taken by Nazi Propaganda wouldn't get hysterical.

TTrns

Simply look at all the pictures that came out of concentration camps and generally out of Nazi Germany They can't all be fake

The problem is not just the occasional fake photo, but a general a lack of context. Those pictures of dead bodies, taken in the western camps which historians now do not call "extermination camps", were the result of disease due to a lack of supplies (caused by allied bombing.) US Army doctors confirmed this at the time, but that didn't stop propaganda films from showing that footage without explaining it properly -- and it still doesn't stop that from happening.

There are no photos of gassings -- which is what we're talking about.

A lot of the pictures were found and released by the allies days after they discovered them when Germany fell

Uh, sure.

He details in Mein Kampf about how he wanted to take over the world, and pushes a fascist agenda about racial cleansing

Lol. Actually, he doesn't. You can read it and check for yourself.

Look, it's clear you care passionately about being against evil, or whatever, but you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

UncleIroh

The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!

There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man.

an organization can exist only if leaders of high intellectual

ability are served by a large mass of men who are emotionally devoted to the

cause

triumph can be assured only through a

militant movement and that this movement must ground its strength only on the

granite firmness of an impregnable and firmly coherent programme

Hitler talking about fascism and world domination, or at least controlling all of Europe.

All the human culture, all the results of art, science and technology that we see before us today, are almost exclusively the creative product of the Aryan. This very fact admits of the not unfounded inference that he alone was the founder of all higher humanity, therefore representing the prototype of all that we understand by the word "man." He is the Prometheus of mankind from whose shining brow the divine spark of genius has sprung at all times, forever kindling anew that fire of knowledge which illuminated the night of silent mysteries and thus caused man to climb the path to mastery over the other beings of the earth . . . It was he who laid the foundations and erected the walls of every great structure in human culture.

...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.

Hitler talking about race superiority, and jews.

If you've read Mein Kampf, He first starts describing about how he viewed jews to begin with, then starts to explain why he begins to hate them. Later he says that Jews can't be German, then he goes onto say that the German Socialist movement should be militant in nature and unflinching, so you can infer he's talking about something violent.

Why would the Soviets claim the holocaust happened, when it's well known that they didn't get along with Zionists, they also take responsibility of liberating many concentration camps.

Why haven't any Nazis denied any of it happened like the liberators claimed? A lot of them argued they didn't know that it was going on, but they never claim all of it was fabricated, name one Nazi who said it was all a lie.

Why were there Zyklon-B canisters found in the "re-education" camps, and showers designed with holes on the top for safe gassing, where there have been large traces of Zyklon-B found?

I agree that zionists use the holocaust for political reasons, but it seems kind of retarded to deny it happening, it really only helps their cause, because they can just claim the world still hates jews.

TTrns

Hitler talking about fascism and world domination

I'm not familiar with any quote where he says he intends to take over the world. Although this was being claimed during WWII, I don't think any contemporary historians believe this any more.

so you can infer he's talking about something violent.

That's a bit of a stretch. There are no quotes in Mein Kampf where he's talking about wanting to kill Jews.

Why were there Zyklon-B canisters found in the "re-education" camps

Because it was used for de-lousing purposes. There were typhus epidemics, you know...

Why haven't any Nazis denied any of it happened like the liberators claimed

They did. You just don't hear about it. Since the 1980's, we've known that the Nuremberg star "confessor" Hoess was brutally tortured. US Congress had an investigation into torture of Nazi prisoners in 1947 which found that this practice was widespread.

but it seems kind of retarded to deny it happening

Yeah, it seems that way initially, because we're only exposed to one side of the story. That story falls apart fairly quickly, when the omitted evidence is included...

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